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[prog frog]

When I first came to play at FAF I realized within a few sets that this is a totally different promisance from what I used to play. The way I play here doesn't always work at Valhall or another prom. It is a matter of learning the code and finding out the most efficient means of creating the net and balancing out the strengths and weaknesses of the strat you are using. After awhile you will find out, if you experiment and not do the same thing over and over, the best way for you to play. It takes time. I have played here about a year now and it wasn't until a month or two ago that I really figured it out and there is still more tweaking to do. Just give yourself time to learn the game and then it will all seem easy.

[Tetigustas shadowson]

JMFGDC!


FIRST OF ALL...
LET ME SAY THIS...
I HAVE PLAYED PROM FOR A TOTAL OF 7 YEARS
FIRST ON THE VAX COMPUTERS GREEN SCREEN THEN ON THE MUD’S NOW IT’S MY SECOND ATTEMPT WITH PROM ON HTML...
SO IT’S NOT LIKE I AM T TOTAL NOOB
so get over the ‘you suck’ thing
OFK

secondly I ran prom for 2 years (FAF prom) on my server !

WoW freen sure takes my posts personally...O_o

As if I was taking the candy from his mouth, while he lay in his cradle!

Man maybe I should just wonder off and play with my elf; Freen doesn’t want any one new or experienced, with a bit of a biotch messin up his forums!

If you would just read my post with a bit of a outside perspective
Oh yeah your to personally involved with the game, like Mawerick just cant decipherer the difference between your adminship and your game accounts you 'MULTI-er'
That’s right I called you a multi-er what you going to do about it kill my game account like there isn’t a create button….!

*laughs*....
Now you’re going to go so completely off on me... hahahahahahaaaaaa

Just play one account man its better that way!
Either your an admin or your a player, NO ONE can be both..!

I started this thread so now we can go completely off topic, since you want to make this about you, or about what you think, you haven’t gotten it through your head that I want to biotch about the stupd azz netters and all you want to do is defend some thing you say you’re not doing......!

O_o did me say something to close to home...!



Now I am on a biotch about you, is this what you wanted FREEN!

This was a biuotch about net gainers who play promisance like it was a banker’s game…!

And all you guys want to do is biotch a bout me buiotchin… what the f-kman

So back on topic….

Doesn’t it look like netgainers are taking over the PROMS!

[Shadow I]

Of course the "net gainers" are taking over! We have already explained to you that "net gainer" = "good player"

Does it surprise you that the GOOD PLAYERS are taking over? They are, after all, good. The BEST players are going to be the ones with the HIGHEST NET. That's pretty logical no?

And I can't speak for Freen, but if I were him I would probably give you a temp ban for that little waste of space of a rant.

[Tetigustas shadowson]

if criticism is not aloud on FAF forums then remove quite a few threads

and ok net gainers are taking over so was FAing clans! An they got the kick out!

so why when I bring up netgainers damaging the playability of prom I am an outcast NOOB!

can you tell its geting me a litlte pissed!

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[Freenhult]

We don't ban people here Shadow. Even if they want to rant at the staff, we just let them make fools of themselves. As far as I can see, this topic is offically done with. It won't be closed but it won't get attention anymore.

Thanks for your concern TS, but you should know that you can't bait me into a flame war.

As for accusing me of being a multi, that is not true. I'm sorry that you can't handle being an admin and playing at the same time while being impartial and not abusing your powers. The adminship here is given to trusted people. I have nothing to gain from doing such a thing, and have no reason. If you wish to attack me further, please do it in a PM and not on the forum. Flaming will NOT be tolerated in any forum.

[Tetigustas shadowson]

OMFG!

Why was I totally going off the deep end on Freen…. Wow did I get enough blood sugar this morning.

Omfg! Freen and the rest of use guys I apologies…….



Get candybar....

Start over……….

If we compared the; lets call em strats, only because they where incorporated into strats by dozens of previous years users.

Strats
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Troopers clan = nerfed by higher troop costs and lowered production.
Farmers clan = nerfed by lowered production and lowered food value.
FA clan = nerfed by game code, also reduced and or denied FA in last week.
Sleeper cell = nerfed by last week Idea, now we do it 8-9 days before sets end.
Gang clan = nerfed by reduced / controlled membership, no create/join last week code.

Net Fat = nerfed by net controlling

Here is how I think it could work
We take all the users in BFR and added the net together divide it by 3.414 that would equal the max net ceiling.

The hard #’s at this moment
Total net in BFR…. $1,174,867,069
Max net in BFR is $314,048,667
If you divide that by 3.414 you get $344,132,123 Max net

As I see it; the game grows and the net of the overall user mass grows,
if the largest net was restricted by 3.414 of the whole of the user net,
then as the game net grow so would this hypothetical ceiling

It could work to keep the Billion $ Empire from happening,
and the game would still have a obvious gap
between you and my clan <--- still got to throw in the game hehe


Closer ranks more war, simple;
those guys below the topten bar see more action than those atop the score card.

[Devari]

I don't get it, mate. Capping networth means capping troop production... How can you conduct war with ultimately limited troop supplies? A greater concern is top-down bullying - when the cap is reached, the player at the top is going to spend their time beating down the ranks instead of netting. Is that really fun?

It strikes me that Duels is more your kind of game... When you look at it, though, the basic mechanics of Promisance are mostly a netting game. Furthermore, the war/diplomacy/roleplaying that makes the game so interesting is a function of the playerbase, not so much the mechanics. Certain encouragements can be made in that direction WITHOUT changing the core of what makes Promisance, well, Promisance. I think we need to look at smaller changes in that direction, unless we plan on completely remaking how the game works.

It's just a game, in the end. We hope you'll continue to enjoy it, and thoughtful suggestions are always welcome. I'm just not completely sure about changes of the magnitude you're suggesting - to me, it looks to be making a different style of game.

My most fun Promi experiences have been on completely unbalanced code, actually. It's what the playerbase makes of things, more than the actual mechanics, in my experience.

[Death]

Shadowson, do me a favor, just take a breath man. (Remember me, Dark Rush? *laughs*)

I played FAF here for a little while, and I played it on some other sites. Enough to be able to explain a few things. Plus the fact that not a single person player or Admin alike have told me I was wrong.

FAF suffers from the range in skill levels. It has good players who know just how to abuse the code to do well, then good players who play honestly, then (Profanity is a sign of Maturity) players. This makes it rather simple for anyone to lock land and continue netting, once it is combined with the way the code is set.

As far as development goes they are a little behind other places, recently fixing problems that others had fixed years ago. This doesn't make it a bad game though, FAF is great in its' own way. They will catch up soon, then they will probably exceed most others.

In short, FAF is not a game for everyone. It has problems that have created a super low playerbase, but everything is temporary.

Side note for anyone who wants to complain about anything I said, I RETIRED, HAHAHAHA!

[Tetigustas shadowson]

I am not saying cap it and don’t let it get any higher, it should grow as the players over all net grows.

But hey remember you could make oooddles of cash before the mage was nerfed, and networth was much grander than it is today.

All things can and may/will change with time and observation, if not we wouldn’t be in this eco mess we are in, but that’s another topic.

The gremmy was nerfed because he could 'fund and feed' an entire clan, the mage was nerfed because he didn’t even need a clan.

most all changes was to keep the clans going other changes where to keep the local crew going, I am referring to the global prom world, not necessarily any particular prom.

[Devari]

You seemed to be advocating a networth cap... I don't quite understand your proposal, to be honest.

[Shadow I]

A networth cap goes against the entire point of promisance games.

[Tetigustas shadowson]

yes and no



Call it a prediction then, I bet if nothing is done, prom will turn to a net race.
War, clans, politics, mage-in Ect, ect. Will be all un-used by regular strats.
The only time we will see war, is when some noob comes online and thinks its prom as usual.

oooops it almost there now.


Yet; I remember a time when I battled to prevent change in threads of old and lost.
Changes set in no matter what; like those listed the listed changes and more I didn’t list

We will see what the future brings.

I wish there was a magic user prom. hehe

[Shadow I]

Call it a prediction then, I bet if nothing is done, prom will turn to a net race.

Prom IS a net race! That's the whole point of this game... achieve the highest possible net in a given time.

Prom is not, as you seem to think, a game where we all peacefully sit back and make net and leave each other alone. Look at the battle with Arthus that I (and later Watchtower) were in. Look at what happened to Freen's net at the end. Hell, look what happened to mine and maddog's. Just because you are not actively participating in the battles does not mean they don;t happen.

[Freenhult]

...I haven't been playing BFR at all. And no Shadow. TS is right, the goal of the game is not to net. Thats just a subsequent goal of the game in order to achieve domination. Promi was about diplomacy, about role playing, about working together to make the others feel your wrath. Netting is probably one of the most boring things about Promi. If I netted, I'd have obsurd nets that you guys can't imagine. I know how to use the magic of the code to maximize my output extremely well.

The recent change to pure netting is enough to almost make me want want to retire. I haven't had the chance to set up a single alliance on WoA in months. Not just because it was broken, but no other people could make a clan that was respectable enough with members in order to compete, must less warrent my respect.

TS, You're still off man. You're attacking the heart of the Promi game by limiting the one thing that makes any empire strong. You claim it works, yet I can see you don't even realize the mathmatical implications of averages. Let me show you an example. You start the game. 5 Empires sign up immediately. They all have the same net of around 200,000. The average net for the game is exactly that. You're calling for the person in first to only be able to gain a small amount. The first person who runs is at a complete disadvantage. Out of the box, you should be able to get nearly 20mil net IF not more. The first person under your system shouldn't even break 500,000. He just wasted an entire decent run and he's a sitting duck for the other people. Then, if another person signs up, the average is dragged down yet again. For every person that has a small net, the people up top are limited and reduced extremely bad.

Its the effect of getting 100s on your first two tests, then failing the others with 20s. You did good on the first two tests, but your grade is like a D now. Thats not very fun is it? Expecially well, I hate to say it. There IS a true skill discontinuity around here. People just suck on some of the game, or don't have a goal. They just mindlessly run turns. Anyone can click Tree of Gold and make gold, attack people for land and stuff. Only good people know how to maximize their resources in order to get the most out.

You're not gonna win any favor here with your idea of net capping. I'm sorry, but thats a direct stab in any attempt to sort the game out. Diplomacy, role playing, war can only come back if the players want it back. You can't force it on them with some sort of leveling restrictions. It doesn't add up.

[Arthus]

Ok, I am far to lazy to read 3 pages of posts, but I will reply on things that I bothered to read. If you are annoyed that people in a clan are aiding one guy up with aid, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. The easiest thing to do, considering the number of people in your clan is to have one or two people mage suicide them, then the rest to murder their nets to nothing. Quite simple. It is not a bug, nor is it cheating, all promis that I have played at do that, Valhall has it happen at least once a set.