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ohmyjapan16 · Post by **ohmyjapan16** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:29 pm

Heh I got proof from a message somone sent me as well.

PWD · Post by **PWD** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:29 pm

haha well i know we were told not to kill but if they had there own beef agasit you and left the clan to kill you then how it that GA fault? honest killer did waht he tought was right and didnt do it as the clan name witch id agree as being turthful.

Post by **Ruddertail** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:38 pm

Because A: I have sorces that say that it wasn't his own problem with me, it was orders from FWF. And B: If it's his own problem, that's fine. But if you are a member of a clan, your own agenda is sugject to the agenda of the clan, and the clan's treaties. If he whished to leave the clan to fight me, that is fine. However, if you leave the clan so you can act without violating clan policy, you should not be allowed back in the clan. If you are, this means the clan approves of what you are doing. If GA doesn't approve, then they shouldn't let him back in. That's the way it works.

Basicly, it's GA's fault because they showed their approval by allowning Honest Killer to rejoin the clan. And, because of the fact it was done on orders from FWF, as far as I know.

PWD · Post by **PWD** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:29 pm

oh come on ruddertail, now if i didnt want to follow the orders of not killing, and felt to kill and come back they didnt apave at all, it would be because i would want you dead. *laughs* and what do u have access thought the admin panel witch is cheap?

Post by **Ruddertail** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:49 pm

PWD wrote: oh come on ruddertail, now if i didnt want to follow the orders of not killing, and felt to kill and come back they didnt apave at all, it would be because i would want you dead. *laughs* and what do u have access thought the admin panel witch is cheap?

Right. But say Devari was in my clan (Hope he doesn't mind me using him as an example) and he left to kill somebody in a clan I had agreed not to kill. If I allowed him to re-enter my clan, I'm saying by that "I don't mind that he killed this guy".

Basicly, I'm saying I approve of his actions, even though they violate clan policy, and if he had preformed the actions while in my clan, I would have had no problem with it. If the other clan demands they be allowed to kill Devari in retal, unless I agree to boot him, and order my clan not to retal for him, I'm saying I support him in what he did, and would have done it myself.

I didn't learn this through the admin account. If you want proof, I'll tell Beatles who I learned this from. I would name my sorce outright, but I don't want him to suffer unecessary retal from GA. (At least, I assume it's "him", not "her".) If you want to know why I have access to the admin pannal, it's because I'm an admin. I have never intentionally used the admin account to cheat, though I have found out some things quite by accident. I no longer use the admin account to check messages, since I have been told it is not neccesary.

-Ruddertail

Post by **Devari** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:56 pm

I live for bloodbath! :*laughs*:

Uh, yes...

Everyone needs to calm down a bit around here. Although, as Beatles said, heated arguments are indicative of great rounds.

Post by **Ruddertail** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:07 pm

Er, why do we need to calm down? On the other topic, yes, people do sound like they're getting upset, but I don't detect that here...

Nohc · Post by **Nohc** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:47 am

Boo GA, boo.

Fralec Darkwillow · Post by **Fralec Darkwillow** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:40 am

I was gone at camp for five days so I missed out...

Post by **Ruddertail** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:36 am

All you missed is GA killing me, and making a pathetic attempt to deny it.

And now, as they seemingly admit it, PWD decides that I have no right to complain about a truce being broken, and my being killed, and tries to kill me. Is he entirly without honor? I don't think that's any reason to kill. If he wants to kill, fine, he's left GA. But he needn't come up with rediculus reasons, he could just state that that's the way he prefers to deal with wars, and leave it at that.

Edited again...

Ah, the insanity of night and desperation, and the clearness morning (ok, early afternoon) brings. I see I was wrong on two points. One, killing people on dumb reasons doesn't make one without honor. And two, even if it's a pathetic reason, it doesn't mean it's made up. It just might mean the person doesn't feel he's required to come up with a good reason before he kills.

Fresh Water Fighters · Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:55 am

Well sorry I have not had enought time to come on the fourms for some time.
It was my bad. Otter Hord had nothing to do with it.
I don't make a practice of changing the clan password all the time.
So if a member jumps then rejoins how can I stop it?
Also I would like you to prove how you got to know about what orders Honest killer receved.
Eather someone is lying (betraying GA) or they are cheating (abusing the admin account).
I should not have ordered Ruddertail killed.
Thats the bottom line I did order him killed.
I am sorry I messed up. I am the one to blame leave GA out of this.
Ok now what do you think I should do to make up for this mastake?
I try to stop all kills by my clan.
Otter hourd will be away for the rest of the round unless he can find an internet caff. I am not a great leader (hence I am not the leader) so i offten mess up big time. My honor is probly shot to bits so now on one will ever trust me ever again but i will try to fix up my wrong.
I will see if i can get PWD to stop trying to kill low UW members.
~FWF

Post by **Urran Voh** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:01 pm

FWF, GA will take all the blame for this because you ordered it, and the clan followed even after an agreement. Let's just say that GA will be coming up short on troops and resources in the coming weeks.

Post by **Ruddertail** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:40 pm

FWF, you say you want to know what my sorce is, eh? I'll message it to Beatles. He can assure you that I am not using the admin account, if he needs to, he can go back and check the messages I recived on the first day I had this account.

As far as stopping members who leave and rejoin, there's nothing you can do. But, if they violate clan rules, you can always boot them, and change the pass so they can't get back in.

FWF, your honor isn't shot, I'm willing to give you another chance. I hope the rest of the community will do the same. Just don't do something like this again, secretly backing someone planning to kill me, or some other such devios actions. If you do that, and it comes to light, I doubt we'll have any "benifit of the doubt" left.

I hope in the future, we can all avoid such incidents as this one, and go forward with a higher sense of honor then the one that has governed these days.

-Ruddertail

Honest Killer · Post by **Honest Killer** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:25 am

Ok, here a clarification!
I follow the orders given to me by the clan leader! otherwise I'm peacfull exept some smalll landgrabs! And I did not know about some treaties or anything!

I don't break any aliannces or treatys if i know of any, but the clan leaders do not post any info, who we have a treaty with!

And i am not a killmonger!!!!!!!!

Fresh Water Fighters · Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:30 am

Ok i will not do anything like this again.
I am sorry.
PWD disband. Stop killing UW.
We have had enough killing.
~FWF

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