Anti-Market Storage

[Devari]

The whole troop storing on the public market is considered by some people to be a Bad Thing. How do we combat this?

My suggestion is:

Have 1 hour to reach market, but a 1 week (or longer!) waiting period until you can pull your troops off. This does not fully destroy troop storing, but it does make it a bit less practical and still keeps the market a Good Thing.

Any other thoughts? I'm of the camp that thinks of it as a Bad Thing, but maybe everyone else thinks it is Good and I am totally off the mark here.

[The Beatles]

I think it's a Bad Thing too...
This would not entirely destroy its usefulness, however. It goes a good way towards it, but might affect legit users of the market.
However, have you seen the new work on market commissions? Check faf_features.txt

[Zephyrus]

I say the commissions themselves are a decent loss. Must we need more?

[The Beatles]

Bump, seems like a good idea.

[Devari]

How about:

1. We implement this idea, changing the 1 week to 1.5 weeks.
2. We add an actual official troop-storing thing. Call it your "Reserves" and allow the user to store up to 50% of their army on it.
3. Reserve troops will be called up at any time - however, it will be 1 week before a reserve group can be called up. Use a table sort of like the market, just with no price. Perhaps Reserves could be hired out by other armies as mercenaries of a sort... The Reserve would take losses, though.

What do you think?

[Ruddertail]

I like the idea of reserves. But not being able to store more then 50% would hurt hawk massers trying to buy up troops and store them for the end of the set, or for when they need them to prevent being killed, as they would have to buy enmense amounts of troops, and then sell half of them back on the bazzar for a loss in prices. We want to lower the power of hawks, but not that much. This would make hawk-loot almost useless.

[Zephyrus]

Not really. The other way is to loot, buy stock, and buy out repeatedly the last few days. Indys suffer just as much, if not more, having to convert troops into cash for storage through pvtmarket selling. But, that's the point.

[Ruddertail]

But, you basicly can't run turns then, becuase once you get one or two buyouts of the Bazzar sitting on your account even looting with pure hawks your still getting a net loss... What I would do with indy is not convert it to cash, but store at high prices, so that it stays there and and you can pull it at the end of the set.

[Zephyrus]

so that it stays there and and you can pull it at the end of the set.

At whatever time the indys can, so can the hawks.

[Ruddertail]

But the indies would, thoreticly, be able to store more up on a reserves type setting, because they could support large numbers of troops, while a hawker couldn't.

[Slasher]

reserves is a good idea how about something like 75% storage though rather than 50%?

[Devari]

I chose 50% because the point of this topic is to reduce the power of storage. Anyway, there is nothing preventing one from storing excess on the market - but on BFR, that must be done early in the set.

[Zephyrus]

Make holding land worthwhile and people will do it.

[Veranor]

Maybe we should set up a test server for stuff like this. As the game becomes more and more complex it becomes more difficult to figure out how these changes will affect the server. With a test server we can try out these new innovative ideas and be able to tweak them in a safe environment. Anyone agree?

[Ruddertail]

Nev proposed that, I believe. I think it would be a good idea. But I don't know what everyone else thinks...