A Request/From RWL

[wolf bite]

Put it in your sig and post in many places (not about FAF) so people can see and click the link. For a while at least, RWL will have to be our main source of players.

Did I miss read that or is that a nice way of saying “please spam a different server.�

Please put this in your sigs!
"Warbands: Frost And Flame, offers a far deeper playing experience than RWL. The many new innovative and game-balancing features are presented in a manner that is easy to learn, and fun to use. I'd play FAF over RWL any day." ~Ragefur

Ah, again I think I am missing something, I thought we were coexisting on a friendly basses. FAF insults are not allowed on RWL, let alone encouraged by the Admins.


Wolf Bite

[Ruddertail]

Put it in your sig and post in many places (not about FAF) so people can see and click the link. For a while at least, RWL will have to be our main source of players.

Did I miss read that or is that a nice way of saying “please spam a different server.�

I don't think Beatles wanted us to spam, just be active. Thougt it could be read as a request to spam.

Please put this in your sigs!
"Warbands: Frost And Flame, offers a far deeper playing experience than RWL. The many new innovative and game-balancing features are presented in a manner that is easy to learn, and fun to use. I'd play FAF over RWL any day." ~Ragefur

Ah, again I think I am missing something, I thought we were coexisting on a friendly basses. FAF insults are not allowed on RWL, let alone encouraged by the Admins.

I don't think it is intended to be an insult. It's an indorsment of FAF, not a putdown of RWL. He didn't say RWL stunk, just that he thought FAF was better. Though, I admit it might be taken as a putdown, and maybe we should reconsider...

[windhound]

there's a simple banner in my siggy (and I see wolf picked it up)
everyone who player RWL should put some sort of banner in their siggy

basically the same statement, reversed for RWL

I endorse both
there is a FAF banner at RWL and a RWL banner at FAF
no favoritism, both games are relitivly fun

[Devari]

My dear sir wolf bite.

Please stop jumping to conclusions.

"Warbands: Frost And Flame, offers a far deeper playing experience than RWL. The many new innovative and game-balancing features are presented in a manner that is easy to learn, and fun to use. I'd play FAF over RWL any day." ~Ragefur

Please note this is a quote from a former admin of RWL. Beatles simply felt that we should use this endorsement in our signatures. It is like a smashing review of a piece of software by a respected newspaper - would you NOT display it?

I believe the "spam other servers" bit is ENCOURAGING players to advertise on places OTHER than RWL, as to expand our memberbase into something new and unique. As for "stealing" members, probably the only person who has left RWL to play completely FAF instead is me. But I had left long before FAF really revived.

The only "RWL bashing" that I ever do is discuss some balance pitfalls which we should avoid and encourage the use of FAF terms (hawks instead of leaders). If that is "bashing", than any friendly disagreement or debate is akin to murdering.

Thanks for reading, and do play sometime!

[wolf bite]

A) I asked questions, I see no “conclusions� besides the ones you posted. But I can make some.
Posting that a former RWL Admins that “may� have said FAF is better then RWL is putting down RWL. Better means something is less then as good. However I question that statement because I don’t think he has even played the current version of RWL.
C) No I would not think of it as a review. “Eat at my restaurant because we are better then that one down the street� is an insult of the restaurant down the street.
D) Your Admin requesting it to be put in everyone’s sigs is an Admin encouraging the insult.
E) Did I ever say or even hint to “stealing� members? I used to play both servers, and I welcome RWL people to do so too. I allow FAF banners, allow Ads. Never have I told anyone not to play FAF.
F) If you don’t think FAF freely insults RWL, then please search your forum’s posts, I have.
G) As far as me joining up. I have played Duels and TSR a total of 7 times. Seems “bugs� only affected my accounts negatively and people attacking me positively. Nonetheless, was closing emperor 6 of those times. If I capitalized “Wrongo, Davari. I DON'T go to FAF, and I DON'T plan on it.� Would it be an insult, even with a “disclaimer?�
H) Even the post someone made to my training journal was changed so my name was not on it.

My intent here is really not to start a war, that would be bad for both of us. Only asking for fairness. On RWL, we don’t allow nor encourage any insults of FAF. We don’t attack your Admins, only ask them to not attack us. We don’t break the rules on your forum nor your games. We don’t tell our people what to do on your forum. We ask for the same courtesy. Is that too much to ask?

* Wonders if pointing out facts is cause to be banned? *
* Wonders is just being me is cause to be banned? *


Wolf Bite

[The Beatles]

No, wolf bite, we don't believe in solving stress by banning the cause of it. Unlike, possibly, you -- but that's a long matter neither of us would like to go into.
Skipping lightly over all your points and --dare I say it, insinuations of cheating on TSR-- I can say that we are FAF, and not TSR, nor are we affiliated with Warbands. That empires in our game are called warbands, and that I was a staff member at TSR are pure coincidences.
If you have a problem with Ragefur's phrasing, well, as we don't, please take it up with Ragefur. Circumstancial evidence is a double-edged sword. I don't think there's anything wrong with his statement (neither does Devari), so opinions may be wasted. An insult is not a legal term (as libel) so it is up to you to see it as one, but if we say there's none intended, it's polite to understand.
As to your welcoming RWL people to play FAF, and all the free exchange bollocks, I have only to say: why are advertisement topics not allowed in GD? And if I should delve into RWL's past -- as you so like to delve into our past -- why were advertisements for other games allowed, but specifically not for what was then Warbands (led by me)? A search on your forum will reveal this.
No, I am also not trying to start a "war". Or a "liberation" for that matter. Nor an argument or flamefest. Glad we agree on that.

[wolf bite]

First may I thank you for skipping over all my valid points? Leaving me only the new points you brought up in avoiding the conversation.

Next I would like to point out that I did not ban you nor have I ever banned anyone because of stress. Such a statement has no foundation and is … rude.

Yes I have a problem with Ragefur's phrasing, those words sound like your paraphrasing, not his words. Also since I do not think Ragefur has even played the currant version of RWL it would be irresponsible to quote him. “Winchester rifles are better then Browning rifles.� ~ Mahatma Gandhi

And you reserve the right to where what topics are posted on your forum as do we. GD is not used for Advertising. But we allow it in other places. The only other game that I know of that was allowed to be advertised elsewhere was one on the same server as RWL. So your concepts are … twisted

Now lets talk about polite. I came to ask for the same respect you expect. If someone was asked not to say derogatory statements, it would be polite to stop.

It really seems you don’t understand that a disclaimer only disclaims actions that you have not done. “I don’t consider that well known racial comment to be raciest, so I will keep using it.�

How can you ask people to see the 2 games as coexisting when this one is constantly attacking that one? Maybe a different viewpoint could bring peace and understanding?


Wolf Bite

[The Beatles]

"You say peace and understanding, but I see only a finger on the claw of "..hmm, what should we put there?
Anyways, I did not skip over your points, that was merely a way of saying that I defeated their points. I did actually address them if you read my post closely. I just didn't itemize my bill. If you really think I left one of your arguments intact, by all means bring it up again...
You didn't ban me because of stress, quite true. Retto banned me because he was up to the throat with me. If we want to go into rudity, the libel in your last series of posts in the "Hacked, again" topic hits the mark quite nicely.
The quote about how Ragefur believes FAF to be better than RWL is an exact quote, not a paraphrase. And yes, he did play BAXX, to the best of my knowledge, with a weird-sounding name I can't quite recall. And actually, quotes (as long as they are not offensive or insulting) may be used freely, regardless of their perceived "correctness". It's all part of freedom of speech and intellectual property. You can't censor a quote just because you think it's untrue, or even censor the fact it is quoted.
I don't know, I confess, the current stance on advertising at RWL. Last I checked, it was no advertising at all and we'll take it out of your sig when we notice it. If that's changed, let me know... And if you want evidence of the favoritism, search for topics by a member called "blackadder" who advertised in GD for SwiftGaming Promisance, at the same time when our topics were deleted. My concepts are not twisted (I don't know what I could say for yours, though), merely correct. Truth is oft unpleasant.

Now lets talk about polite. I came to ask for the same respect you expect. If someone was asked not to say derogatory statements, it would be polite to stop.

It's a bit rich for you to ask politeness when you come here for the express purpose of denigrating us on our forum, and mercilessly insult and libel me on your forum.

It really seems you don’t understand that a disclaimer only disclaims actions that you have not done. “I don’t consider that well known racial comment to be raciest, so I will keep using it.�

The raciest comments generally are R-rated. Oh, please take this up with Devari, not me, and preferably in a PM (it's politer).

How can you ask people to see the 2 games as coexisting when this one is constantly attacking that one? Maybe a different viewpoint could bring peace and understanding?

Wow, finally we agree completely! We'd love to coexist if you stopped attacking (read: oppressing) us.


I believe you're doing little more than arguing, with the guise of not wanting to argue. It's like throwing dove feathers on the blood-stained cloak, to use a metaphor.

[windhound]

heh. TSOR and the warbands version of FaF were connected, one advertised for the other.. until beatles dumped their forums in an upgrade but that is relitivly irrelivent

Ragefur's comment was made to put down RWL more than praise FAF
"Warbands: Frost And Flame, offers a far deeper playing experience than RWL. The many new innovative and game-balancing features are presented in a manner that is easy to learn, and fun to use. I'd play FAF over RWL any day." ~Ragefur

that can easily be stated in less controversial terms..

"Warbands: Frost And Flame, a deep playing experience. The many new innovative and game-balancing features are presented in a manner that is easy to learn, and fun to use. I'd play FAF over beating up my grandma any day." ~(~)Ragefur

see? simple

ofcourse there is going to be tension and sparks between RWL and FAF if quotes like that are spread around. it raises hackles. it's just not meant to be friendly atall

oh, and FAF ads are often accompanied by rabid fans (& admins ) the ads for other promis are usually "if you have time/please check out this site (insert link)"
thus ads for other things are much more likely to be missed or ignored

[sh0e]

quoting someone who claims they would rather play at faf is insulting?
constantly attacking?

My intent here is really not to start a war <snip>
* Wonders if pointing out facts is cause to be banned? *
* Wonders is just being me is cause to be banned? *

can you say.. flame bait?

there is no point in arguing
it is obvious they are simply reaching for reasons

-
they seek you with closed eyes
give them only silence

[windhound]

sh0e, would you put a snipit in your FAF sig about how you'd rather be playing RWL?
I mean really
the quote itself is relitivly harmless, used in the proper way
putting it in the sigs of members of a cooexisting game and I feel its misused


hum. oh, and Devari, here's somthin for your sig in Rag:

"Warbands: Frost And Flame, offers a far deeper playing experience than all others, especially Rag. The many new innovative and game-balancing features are presented in a manner that is easy to learn, and fun to use. I'd play FAF over Rag any day." ~windhound, ripped from Ragefur

A smashing review, you should put it everywhere eh? not that it really matters, as rag only has 3 active players on reg, 1 fer turbo

I think the behavior of some people around here is rather aweful, and that you should think about how you would react should somone do the same to you


I'm tired, and my filter is on the fritz, if any of that seemed overly biting, take it with a grain of salt

[The Beatles]

Well, it is personal (and a sensitive matter that I'd highly object to) to take Ragnarok's current membership slump as indicative of the game's worth or potential.
I don't really see your point, windy. The analogy isn't straight.

[windhound]

indeed.
I was rather sad to see rag isnt active
but Devari said that RWL shouldnt take offence to the quote, and that was my attempt to put it into prespective for him. prehaps I did a poor job, but I'm late for CSC, so I'll elaborate at a later date

[The Beatles]

Ah. Finally a good point in the topic. You'd best take that up with Devari.

[Devari]

*shrug*

I wouldn't put that in my own signature (for obvious reasons), but I have no problem with other people doing so. It's a valid opinion, even if it did come off (to me) as being said out of spite.