KDE/SUSE

[Devari]

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shoutid_8008 #8008 Shouted By: Devari
Nov 5 2005, 03:11 PM
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http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php - Hm... Looks interesting, to say the least.
shoutid_8007 #8007 Shouted By: Devari
Nov 5 2005, 03:01 PM
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"But the bulk of Novell's interface will be moving toward GNOME."

Basically, KDE will no longer enjoy the extensive support and development that SUSE provides. It'll just be another GNOME Distro with KDE as an option.

windy, there is nothing wrong with GNOME. I just far prefer the look, feel, and function of KDE. I also prefer QT over GTK+, and K-applications to G-applications.

The main reason I used SUSE was the amazing support for KDE, gtk-qt, and a general QT/KDE look and feel. Kubuntu's attempt always seemed half-buttock-ed.
shoutid_8006 #8006 Shouted By: The Beatles
Nov 5 2005, 02:32 PM
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Have good cheer! It is confirmed: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12551 <-- KDE on SUSE
No Avatarshoutid_8005 #8005 Shouted By: Floppy_Drive
Nov 5 2005, 02:22 PM
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What version of Firefox are you using Devari
shoutid_8004 #8004 Shouted By: The Beatles
Nov 5 2005, 02:17 PM
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Slashdot quote: "All that is happening is that the distributions they are pushing to corporations will use Gnome as the default. Big deal. SuSE Personal/Professional/whatever will continue as normal."
shoutid_8003 #8003 Shouted By: The Beatles
Nov 5 2005, 02:13 PM
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They mention SLES and NLD, but does that imply plain SUSE as well? It'd be silly for the end user, KDE's more functional...
shoutid_8002 #8002 Shouted By: windhound
Nov 5 2005, 12:31 PM
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and they said KDE will still be supported...
shoutid_8001 #8001 Shouted By: windhound
Nov 5 2005, 12:31 PM
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O_o wots wrong with Gnome? I dont notice that much difference in speed, and it is a nicer interface..
shoutid_8000 #8000 Shouted By: Devari
Nov 5 2005, 11:43 AM
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Guess that's the end of SUSE for me.
shoutid_7999 #7999 Shouted By: Devari
Nov 5 2005, 11:43 AM
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Damnit! http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/11/0 ... 23&tid=106

[The Beatles]

No, no. The corporate offerings will be developed with GNOME in mind. SUSE itself will continue to remain the great offering which it is, and tied with KDE. Users want KDE, therefore KDE will be developed and offered for them. It won't be "just another GNOME Distro with KDE as an option"...
GNOME was always meant as a corporated desktop, so this makes sense too.

[Devari]

SUSE proper will be GNOME.

While OpenSUSE probably will remain KDE, my concern is that KDE will no longer enjoy the same level of support it enjoyed from Novell. OpenSUSE KDE will be very much community-only - not bad, but it was nice to have corporate backing. However, it is quite possible SUSE config tools (YAST, basically) will become GTK.

Anyway, GNOME was started not as a corporate desktop, but as an alternative to KDE that RMS and his cronies deemed as "free" enough. Now, of course, the focus is on simplicity (sometimes overly, in my opinion[1]) and accessibility.

I have no major beef with GNOME. I've used it before, and it certainly is nicer than WinXP. But, still, GNOME had enjoyed plenty of corporate backing whereas (outside of Europe) KDE has largely been ignored. With Novell dropping KDE development, this means that KDE will only have Mandriva of the "major players" left.

Frankly, I do like GNOME. I also happen to like XFCE and Enlightenment. But I do like KDE better.

[1] WTF? No native menu editor?!

[windhound]

*shrugs*
Gnome is prettier = P
its softer, and while that may not matter much to some, to others its all they care about

's why MS Vista now incorperates trasparency and that rather nasty looking clone of the mac-launcher.. maybe they'll tweak it before its finally released.. but yeah.. not expecting much out of Vista, heard they suggust a min. of a gig of ram to run it.. memory hog..

Kicker is also evil
Nautilus is so-so.. prefer Konqueror
the applets and such that you can add to the gnome-panel are rather nice as well

I never really probed down into what makes this kind of stuff work,
if it works well, it works for me = D

...Enlightenment looks pretty, but I've heard its unstable as heck...


(oh, btw.. actually read the error message fedora spits out as I shut down.. seems it's determined that it doesnt really care for my usb hub.. its been using the thing for six months now, but ah well.. nothin all that bad.. I think it just said somthin to the effect of 'this device is not running at its potential speed')

[The Beatles]

*laughs*, windy. (about the USB hub)

Well, in the end, I think, we'll have most work put into what users prefer. And whichever player comes out the winner, that'll be good. Currently that is KDE, and I don't see the focus shifting that fast..

I didn't much like KDE, by the way. That was until I experienced SUSE's version of it.

[Devari]

I suppose. Still, disappointing in many ways...

[The Beatles]

Let me put it this way: SUSE currently has the best KDE offering; why switch until someone else outdoes it?
Also, there isn't actually an openSUSE product. There's SUSE, SUSE OSS, SLES, and NLD. SLES and NLD will go the GNOME way, SUSE(/OSS) will remain KDE-centric. This is from what I understand. Remember, it's probably not the openSUSE community that made SUSE's KDE so great in a few months; it was -- in all probability -- Novell. So I wouldn't worry.

[Devari]

True. It is the best KDE offering for now. By far!

[The Beatles]

And good hardware detection. SUSE is the first distro that made me "go wireless" even though Fedora supported my card too.

[Devari]

Yep.

The first distro I will try when I get my laptop is SUSE, hands down.

[The Beatles]

HAHAHAHA!

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>Get The Facts!</span></span>

[Cfelicio]

What about CDE?

[windhound]

Pandey's appraisal of Aruba's technology is in stark contrast to Microsoft's "Get the Facts" rhetoric which places Windows as a more secure, and higher-performing choice over Linux.

:*laughs*:

nice link beatles

there's a reason the majority of webservers are *nix based, quite a few redhat/fedora from what I've seen..

and, btw, the cost of Windows Server edition (any of them) is.. quite high O_o
I cant imagine why anyone would pay to be less secure..

and wots CDE? google says its (COEUR D ALENE CP) or California Department of Education
but methinks thats not wot you were saying..

[Devari]

CDE is ancient. Wikipedia it.

[The Beatles]

Oh, that CDE. XFCE is partly based off it though, in design.