stocks and bonds

Tetigustas shadowson · Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:17 pm

since you guys already have stocks then take a look at the bonds sections of this post, I came up with this idea about 3 years ago when we where coding up a new style of promisance game, unfortunatly we got hacked slashed and crashed "lost all the work we had gotten done". we where plannign a back up but the day we had planned it "was 3 days after we got trashed"

"Music starts to play"
If I had a hammer I'd hammer out his fingers and if I had a nail I'd nail it in his head "la la do ta do do lala lala lala la... la..."

hehe...
any how...
I really hope you all can make sense of it...

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If not pm me and ask any questions, wish I had voice conference help explain it better, I tried really hard to make my ramblings coherent

War bonds were a form of savings bond used in the United States to help fund World War I and World War II.
During World War II, there was a promotional cardboard container with slots for quarters.
There were 75 slots for $18.75 in quarters. When it was full, one turned it in at the post office
for a $25 war bond which matured in 10 years.

ALL numbers and game data taken from schnizits devmatch...!
my max net test empires data was included <--- yeah a "max net cap" All the rest was a total brainstorm
it hit me like some sort of stray dream, I think it was headed for our coder and missed.....

I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t even think about stock markets..! I am a low end American and stocks are a waste of recourses to my way of life
Where in blazzes did this come from...*laughs*
Having a part in creating this new game is making me think.....*laughs*

PLEASE REMEMBER THIS WAS A PROPOSED IDEA, IT IS WORDED FUTURISTICALLY
So with out any further a due...

STOCKs and WAR BONDs MARKET<---- this could be worded better but my brain wont let me that is how it came out from the brainstorm and I cant change it many other things I had to look up..?
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If we can make the stocks button on the right on the empire navigation bar like the mailbox, only set it to flash when the stocks/bonds mature...

This is what the display would kind of look like

..............STOCKS.............................................................................................................WAR BONDS............................................
..............Stocks today are @ 1.675%...........................................................................Yeald 8.959% on 1 days............................
..............Up .35% from yesterday................................................................................Total bonds issued 13,943,949..................
..............Total stocks on market. 1,634,589..................................................................total maturities $9,188,838,226,453........
..............Price per: $???.???,??? <--- Generated by game code.....................................Price per bond: $???,???,??? <--- Generated by game
..............TodayÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s interest.. = $???,???,??? <--- Generated by game code.....................Matures 74 hours from purchase <---- admin adjustable
..............Stocks purchased cannot be sold for 72 hours <---- admin adjustable.............................................................................
..............After first purchased without a penalty............................................................................................................................
..............Early with draws receive a minimum penalty of 30.0 % <---- admin adjustable................................................................

------------------------------------YOUR PORTFOLIO---------------------------------
Options............qty owned..............can sell.............for sale.................can buy..................
Stocks:................4,500...................1,593................5,000....................500.....................
Bonds:.................9,000...................3500................11,000....................3,000..................
-----------------------------------Transfer------------------------------------------------
Transfer.........qty owned.............can transfer.........in transit.................recieved................
Stocks................0,000...................0,000.................0,000....................0,000....................
Bonds:...............0,000...................0,000.................0,000....................0,000....................

------------BUY-----------------------In Transit--------------------SELL----------

Stocks: 000,500---------------------002,907--------------------001,593 <---buy/sell boxes, no screwin up that way, I put the max for this empire in already
Bonds: 003,000---------------------003,000---------------------003,500 <---buy/sell boxes, no screwin up that way, I put the max for this empire in already

Stock quotes for the last seven days
Mark all quotes tabulated <-------this would refresh the stocks and change the percentages through out the game "adjusting the rise and fall of stocks
Refresh quotes- get quotes-Ticker <---this is a regular page refresh it will cause the percentage to refresh if it has moved at all...hehe.... 

Stocks today are @ 1.675% <---------when empires are buying up BM's & PM's, the stocks go up, when empires are selling on BM's & PM's, the stock go down" kind of a balancing act ...eh?
Up .35% from yesterday <------------- see examples below
Total stocks on market. 1,635,364,592 based on all empires stocks
Average price per: $???.??? <---------Also based an all owned stocks in the game and based on percentages when the page was toggled
TodayÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s interest.. = $???,??? <---------Also based an all owned stocks in the game and based on percentages when the page was toggled
Stocks purchased cannot be cashed out until 72 hours after purchased with no penalty......
Early with draws receive a minimum penalty of 30.0 % <---more wars then the penalty is down, less wars then the penalty goes up, averaged over the last 3 days "toggled by attacks"
Stocks yield: $???,???,??? <---This would be the amount each empire would get from their stocks owned as per the quote of the day
Total investments possible $ ??,000,000 <---the quantity of their troops in cash value, troops times X or what ever, where X is total cash value of their standing army when they looked to purchase stocks.
Early with draw on $200,000 -35.5% penalty = $ 129,000 start the penalty at--- minimum is 33.333% max is 66.666% or your discretion but this would be a good deterrent for quick cash stashing and mean its really an investment
This would make users take a real look at investing...we have 14 year olds here remember.....:)a Little teaching hehe

. WAR BONDS
Yield: 8.959% on 1 days <---this percentage is based from the public markets and attacks toggled, a raw percentage is taken from the pub market and a attack counter. A comparator is used to adjust the scale the percentage is based from we can start the scale @ 0 relative to -/+ that way the the bonds could dip and swing below 0% rather than an increase, i.e.: if in the last 2 days of the set the wars where hot...! Then my bonds would be low so I would ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œbuy buy buyÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â? ..if the wars where slow the last 2 days then sell high like a mad man
Bonds issued: 13,943,949 <---total all bonds in game
Total maturities :$9,188,838,226,453 <---the amount all the bonds have produced in cash to date
Price per bond: $???,???,??? <---Average cash value of a single bond
Matures 72 hours from purchase <---this time factor can be tuned after inception

If all bonds are owned then each additional attack on the attack log toggles the creation of another 5 stocks & 2 bonds per attack. From reset empires are born with 10 bonds and 25 stocks,( cannot be bought or sold in protection), the new stocks and bonds will rise as soon as peeps leave protection like an everlasting gobstopper so long as there is war there is new stocks and bonds available for purchase.

how the game code figures the price fluctuation of stocks and bonds
Stocks % = forces owned / sold / cash B/S/C= Footmen bought 185,365,478 divide by sold 3,662,541,411 divide by total cash of sale $1,831,270,705,500 = 2.763%

Bonds / public market P/T/O= going market price for bonds $ 500 divide by total days @ that price if sold would be worth $3,662,541,411 divide by total "troops" owned 36,978,230 =3.692%

............................................................................BLACK MARKET............................................................................
"B" is the Quantity of all forces purchased that day
"C" is the amount of cash spent over last 3 days averaged out or totaled we can play with this set of #'s
"S" is the Quantity sold over last 3 days averaged out

Buy Goods...............................................................................................................................................................
Unit................... Owned.................. Avail................ Cost.................. Afford............................. Buy
Footmen........... 366,987,231........... 9,177,344.......... $500................... 9,177,344 .......................00 <---B/S/C= 1/5 stock percentage
Catapults.......... 296,985,229........... 7,169,800.......... $1,000.................7,169,800 .......................00 <---B/S/C= 1/5 stock percentage
Zeppelins..........304,244,806........... 6,452,820.......... $2,000................ 6,452,820 .......................00 <---B/S/C= 1/5 stock percentage
Galleons........... 257,137,067............ 5,377,350.......... $3,000................ 5,377,350 .......................00 <---B/S/C= 1/5 stock percentage
Grains.......... 19,896,987,987........ 106,154,400.......... $20..................... 106,154,400 .......................00 <---B/S/C= 1/5 stock percentage

Sell Goods....................................................................................................................
Unit.................... Owned ...................Can Sell................... Price...................... Sell
Footmen............ 366,987,231............ 363,317,358 .............$175 .......................00 <---B/S/C= 1/5 stock percentage
Catapults........... 296,985,229............ 294,015,376............. $450 .......................00 <---B/S/C= 1/5 stock percentage
Zeppelins.......... 304,244,806............ 301,202,357.............. $800 .......................00 <---B/S/C= 1/5 stock percentage
Galleons ............257,137,067............ 254,565,696............. $1200 ......................00 <---B/S/C= 1/5 stock percentage
Grains.......... 19,896,987,987....... 19,896,987,987................. $10 .......................00 <---B/S/C= 1/5 stock percentage

............................................................................PUBLIC MARKET............................................................................
Where:
"P" is the price over last 3 days averaged out
"T" is the total sales over last 3 days averaged out
"O" is the amount owned

Buy Goods...............................................................................................................................................................
Unit................... Owned.................. Avail................ Cost.................. Afford............................. Buy

Footmen........... 366,987,231...........34,177,344.......... $350................... 9,177,344 .........................00 <---P/T/O= 1/5 stock percentage
Catapults.......... 296,985,229...........23,169,800.......... $700....................7,169,800 ........................00 <---P/T/O= 1/5 stock percentage
Zeppelins..........304,244,806........... 16,452,820.......... $1,400................ 6,452,820 .......................00 <---P/T/O= 1/5 stock percentage
Galleons........... 257,137,067............50,377,350.......... $2,500................ 5,377,350 ........................00 <---P/T/O= 1/5 stock percentage
Grains.............. 19,896,987,987..........6,154,400...........$15......................6,154,400 .........................00 <---P/T/O= 1/5 stock percentage

Sell Goods....................................................................................................................
....................................................On the market or on the way we have:
Unit........... ..... Quantity........... Price........... ........... Status
Footmen............... 1............... $500.......................... In Transit, 2 hour(s) remaining
Catapults.............. 1............... $1,000....................... In Transit, 2 hour(s) remaining
Zeppelins............. 1 ...............$2,000....................... In Transit, 2 hour(s) remaining
Galleons............... 1 ...............$3,000....................... In Transit, 2 hour(s) remaining
Grains................... 1................$4............................. In Transit, 2 hour(s) remaining
Empire Stocks-----1-----------$1,467,223-------------In Transit, 72 hour(s) remaining
War Bonds--------1-----------$3,994,666-------------In Transit, 72 hour(s) remaining
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It will take 2 hours for your goods to reach the market.

Sell Goods....................................................................................................................
Unit.................... Owned ...................Can Sell................... Price...................... Sell
Footmen...............366,987,230.............91,746,807............ $ 00 .............................00 <--- P/T/O= 1/5 bond percentage
Catapults.............296,985,228.............74,246,306............ $ 00 .............................00 <---P/T/O= 1/5 bond percentage
Zeppelins............304,244,805.............76,061,201............ $ 00 .............................00 <---P/T/O= 1/5 bond percentage
Galleons............. 257,137,066.............64,284,266............ $ 00 .............................00 <---P/T/O= 1/5 bond percentage
Grains.............19,896,987,986............17,907,289,187...... $ 00 .............................00 <---P/T/O= 1/5 bond percentage

I created a line or two at the bottom of this example empires main page for graphic representation

Mailbox Turns: 3850 Money: $65,413,490,535 Land: 35,849 Mana: 808,881,687 Grains: 19,896,987,986 Health: 100% Networth: $3,851,837,716
Nefilim (#16)
Turns 3850 (max 3850)
Turns Stored 500 (max 500)
Rank #1
Peasants 148,426
Land Acres 35,849
Money $65,413,490,535
Grains 19,896,987,986
Mana 808,881,687
Networth $3,851,837,716
Era Past
Race HalfElf
Health 100%
Tax Rate 10%
Footmen 366,987,230
Catapults 296,985,228
Zeppelins 304,244,805
Galleons 257,137,066
Wizards 3,477,644

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Time Event
2.3 hours ago you sold 1 Footmen on the market for $475
2.3 hours ago you sold 1 Catapults on the market for $950
2.3 hours ago you sold 1 Zeppelins on the market for $1,900
2.3 hours ago you sold 1 Galleons on the market for $2,850
15 hours ago you sold 1 War Bond to the market for $1,452,009 <---this is where they would show up after the transfer in 2 hours
15 hours ago you sold 1 Stocks to the market for $5,289,992<---this is where they would show up after the transfer in 2 hours
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my intentions are to use this methode for our game improvments BUT; if your team can use any or part of this GO FOR IT ...

I wrote it and I will hold no copytwrite to it, I am a prom junky and all my ideas whether implemented here or afar, it makes no never mind to me as long as we promisance junkies can benifit from it...

Post by **The Beatles** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:40 pm

Wow, that's pretty detailed. I'll have to pore over it a bit later and see how much of the stocks code could be reused for your idea.

Post by **bjornredtail** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:45 pm

The idea of baseing stock prefomrance on market activity seems intresting... Although that would better modeled with some sort of futuers market. In fact, your stock model works almost perfectly for a futuers market. All that would need to be done is to tie the futers value into the base price of each unit. And the creation of the said futuers would have to be controlled by the player directly.

I would base bond yeild on rank, or relative netowrth, or land, or some combinition thereof. The risk with bonds is that the warband will be either a) dead or

unable to pay up by maturation. So, the higher the rank, and/or other factors are, the lower the yeild, as people would supposidly be more willing to invest in something that is less likely to die. Lower the rank, higher the yeild, as something must justify the higher risk. Where this gets intresting is where the warband that issued the bond changes it's situation before the bond matures. Suppose the emperor issues a bunch of bonds, then gets hit badly. The yeild is set when you bought the bond, but there is now a higher risk of the warband dieing before. This pushes the overall value of the bond, should you want to sell it, downward. If the oppsite occures, then the overall value of the bond skyrockets, should you want to sell it (the latter is an example of junk bonds, btw). And, once again put the player into controll of when to issue bonds, even if the rate is set automaticly.

Tetigustas shadowson · Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:00 am

I also have an issue with punctuation so please if my punc is wrong re-read it...

A futures situation came into it also but...I couldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t figure an easy way through it (Lack of market understanding)
I did however do a bit of stock and bond research but I still donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t understand it all.

Tracking Rise and Fall of War Bonds I thought would be best speculated from past public market performances, averaging the sales & purchases and a cross checking for market spikes (protecting the bond market from controlled spiking at maturity).
If users are at war then more pub market sales would be seen (dropping troop/grains networth) consequently mass purchases of troops would also occur (covering the land grabs).
If your bonds are not at maturity and you decide to sell them because your recent activity ran you short of cash,
it would then be redeemed as a (junk bond) at a really high penalty.
You may gain a few bucks but the potential for a higher yield would be from waiting for maturity.

far fetched example
If say 24 out of 100 users sold all of their bonds back to the middle man the networth of held bonds would then go up! because there are less bonds in private hands.
Therefore all the bonds currently in users possession that do in fact mature in the next 3 days would enjoy a larger maturity share for that period.
I also thought there should be some sort of a delay to the bond and stock net increase thatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s why a 3 day system it could be stretched out over 4 or 5 days, then an empire couldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t redeem them prematurely or abuse the code by planning his attacks and selling his bonds some time after his clans attacks.

Does this make any senseÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦.?

I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t know a bloody thing about PhP code....If I didÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ I would be helping to code thisÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦. hehe
But I can sure dream up some crazy schniz

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