Theme Switching

[Gen. Volkov]

OK, so, I made a few historical changes to the race stats, and I've discussed the troop names with Neo. Most are fine, and we came up with a few changes.

code: Select all

          
                Light              Ranged            Heavy                 Naval

Macedon        Chrysapides        Theuroporai       Thessalians           Trireme

Egyptian       Menfat Spearmen    Archers           Chariots              Trireme

Phonecian      Spearmen           Slingers          Chariots              Quinqireme

Etruscan       Italian Swords     Slingers          Italian Spears        Trireme

Greek          Hoplite Phalanx    Toxotes           Armoured Phalanx      Trireme

Gaul           Warband            Slingers          Naked Warriors        Warship

Assyria        Spearmen           Archers           Chariots              Warship

German         Thunder Warriors   Skirmishers       Lightning Warriors    Warship

Persia         Sapraba            Archers           Immortals             Trireme

[The Beatles]

Immortals?

Anyways, half the names are completely uncongenial to an Anglo-Saxon mind. Can you remedy that?

Also, please condense them all to one word each...

[Gen. Volkov]

Immortals, the elite troops of the Persian army.

I can remedy it, provided you accept that some of the individuality will be lost.

I'll condense them, and talk to Neo about it.

[neobaron]

What volky-poo said.

---

If you like, we can translate the names that are fancy, but for example, "Chrysapides" translates to "Silver Shields"

Macedonian Phalanx.

[Gen. Volkov]

code: Select all

          
                Light              Ranged            Heavy                 Naval

Macedon        Chrysapides        Theuroporai       Thessalians           Trireme

Egyptian       Spearmen           Archers           Chariots              Trireme

Phoenician     Spearmen           Slingers          Chariots              Quinqireme

Etruscan       Swordsmen          Slingers          Spearmen              Trireme

Greek          Corinthians        Archers           Spartans              Trireme

Gallic         Warband            Slingers          Berserkers            Warship

Assyrian       Spearmen           Archers           Chariots              Warship

German         Warband            Skirmishers       Berserkers            Warship

Persian        Spearmen           Archers           Immortals             Trireme

[neobaron]

We hope youre more happy with that and have decided to make a stand for the Macedonian troop names on the basis of at least a little bit of historical accuracy =-)

[Gen. Volkov]

*Nods* I hate loosing all that wonderful historical inviduality, but needs must. And I don't want to change the Macedonians. I'll take Macedonian Phalanx and Maybe Archers, but the Thessalians are staying that darn it! I worked long and hard to find that one.

[neobaron]

Not to mention the whole debate to make me buy into it ^.~

[Gen. Volkov]

*laughs*. That too. Honestly man. You're more stubborn than a donkey with a stone in it's hoof.

[The Beatles]

OK, I'll take a look at both the proposals and see where compromise is unnecessary, and try to compromise on my part as well.

(Tomorrow.)

[neobaron]

*smooch* We love you ever so much Mr. Beatles.

[The Beatles]

..., Neo



1. OK, I see you changed "Hoplite Phalanx" to just "Corinthians". Can't that just remain "Hoplites"?

2. Sapraba was all right for the Persians.

3. Toxotes is all right for the Greeks.

4. Immortals really needs to be changed. I don't care if they were accurate, it just does not sound historical at all. By the way, I also disfavor "Corinthians" partly because of the book of the Bible, and I'm uncomfortable mixing these troop types with those connotations.

5. Warband does not work. They are not a single unit that can be massed.

6. I made the naval stuff plural. The rest are all pural, right?

So here's my modifications to your proposal:

code: Select all

                Light              Ranged            Heavy                 Naval

Macedon        Chrysapides        Theuroporai       Thessalians           Triremes

Egyptian       Spearmen           Archers           Chariots              Triremes

Phoenician     Spearmen           Slingers          Chariots              Quinqiremes

Etruscan       Swordsmen          Slingers          Spearmen              Triremes

Greek          ?? Hoplites ??     Toxotes           Spartans              Triremes

Gallic         ???????            Slingers          Berserkers            Warships

Assyrian       Spearmen           Archers           Chariots              Warships

German         ???????            Skirmishers       Berserkers            Warships

Persian        Sapraba            Archers           ???????               Triremes

[edit] Herodotus' term for the Immortals, Athanatoi, is still not Anglicized, so that's no go either.

[Ruddertail]

What's the balance we want to achive between history and sensibilty? For example, if a race has a nonsensical (hawk race with good indy, for example) bonus that makes sense historically, do we change it, or leave it?

Er, still waiting for an answer.

[neobaron]

1. Its ok with me, that was Volkovs baby.

2. Wonderful

3. Wonderful

4. What shall we call them then volky-poo? Historically, the persians didnt front much of anything too fancy... First line was spears, second line was more spears than the first, third line was the "Immortals" corps. Archers sat in the rear of every line as it advanced. Chariots were of limited use given the unfavorable terrain in most of the Persian empire. Horses were rare in those parts except north towards Armenia. In the east, Heffalumps were in fact used, but to a lesser degree...

The strength of the Persian army lie in its numbers... not in its units. They werent "tough" persay, but as it has been put, they were able to blot out the sun with arrows...

5. The concept of a "warband" given by our buddy Gaius in De Bello Gallico (sp)... a small unit of men within the greater mass of men acting together, charging together... "horde" didnt do so hot with me so I used Warband. Volky-poo and I will need to talk it over, but hes getting mouth surgery today.

6. k =-)

---

I say we leave it. All of these nations had their crazy advantages, which is what I was tryingto achieve initially, its how one uses them.

Sure, macedon will whip some ass on the ground, but a greek wont have much of a problem there, nor will a phoenician (or any half decent hawk for that matter) have a problem doing the Macedonian in.

[The Beatles]

Rudder -- do everything you wish to within reason. Then the historical folks will do the same, and we progress in a feedback loop. The theory is, eventually everyone will be happy. In other words, as far as you're concerned, you've got a free rein. The same goes for Devari, Neo, and Volkov.

Just make sure you note in this topic what major changes you make, so it can be weighed from both sides.


And Neo -- good that we're in agreement on the issues, but please fill in the question-mark blanks.