Gobal Warming would this work to fix it?

[The Beatles]

When they say zero-energy, I must imagine they mean zero-energy with respect to anything else but foodstuffs. Water may be provided by rain (especially with the UK's climate), but I don't think they grow all food on-site, or engage in a bartering scheme.

Still a quite impressive project though!

[Devari]

Oh, no, food is most probably brought in from elsewhere. Although, it would be interesting to see some indoor hydroponic farming to supply some food - of course, you would have to consider the water usage...

Still, as you said, very impressive!

[Gen. Volkov]

Er Freen, I wasn't thinking the cars would be nuclear powered. That wouldn't be safe for anyone, as you couldn't get enough shielding to make it so the driver wouldn't get a lethal dose of radiation 5 seconds after he got into the car.

GV
Not the entire world lives near you, the fact that some places are in winter may elude you, It may be chillingly obvious to another.

You said the US smartarse, and I happen to know for a fact that the entire northern hemisphere is currently in the season of summer, or did you miss that day in elementary school?

Winds and wintry weather alive and well on one side of the world, can produce a considerable amount of high energy to the other side where a 150-degree summer storm is killing dozens of people. As well while the heat zone would produce massive amounts of solar power from the intense sunlight. The production of wind-generated electricity from a spring storm, is not an unreasonable substitution for a given percentage of the worlds needs either, other than the manufacturing of the parts and pieces, Solar and wind electric generation the only true GREEN options.

No they don't. The planet produces no energy. All the planets weather is driven by the sun. That is the only natural energy source in the solar system. (Well OK, Jupiter produces more than it recieves, but we ain't exactly close to Jupiter) There is no place on the planet that experiences 150 degree heat. The hottest temperature ever recorded was 131. In the Dead Sea I believe. And what are you talking about "the heat zone would produce power"? No, it wouldn't, solar power comes from the sun. The temperature of the air is immaterial. Plus, the storm would block out the sun. And the winds from a really intense storm thats killing people would rip the wind generators off their moorings. Efficient power generation from wind farms requires constant winds of about 20-30 mph. How about you do a little research before you post next time?

They say that nuclear power is emission-free, let me tell you the truth is very different.

Given your previous statements.. less just say I'm disinclined to listen to your "truth". Nuclear power, except for disposal of the spent fuel rods, is extraordinarily safe. As I said, people who have lived right next to a nuclear power plant for YEARS recieve LESS radiation than they recieve during one trip to the dentist's office for an X-ray. Less than they recieve by just mowing their lawn. That is fact.

At present there are some 442 nuclear reactors in operation around the world. If, as the nuclear industry suggests, nuclear power were to replace fossil fuels on a large scale, it would be necessary to build 2000 massive, 1000-megawatt reactors. Even if we decided today to replace all fossil-fuel-generated electricity with nuclear fusion, there would only be enough ‘economically viable’ uranium to fuel the reactors for three to four years.

I don't know where you got any of these figures. And there is way more available Uranium than that. Not to mention EVERYTHING ELSE I have been talking about for this ENTIRE thread, which you have just COMPLETELY IGNORED. Reprocessing, decommisioning nuclear weapons, breeder reactors.

Do I really have to continue? Fine, just to make sure this doesn't come back an bite me in the arse.

The US government subsidizes the cost of uranium enrichment. The true cost of the industry's
liability in the case of an accident in the US is estimated to be $560billion, but the industry
pays only $9.1billion - 98% of the insurance liability is covered by the US federal government.
On the same subject The cost of decommissioning all the existing US nuclear reactors is estimated to be $33billion. These costs - plus the enormous expense involved in the storage of radioactive waste for a million years are not included in the economic assessments of nuclear electricity.

Every method of power generation is subsidized by the US Government. They couldn't afford to build dams, coal plants, wind farms, solar farms, geothermal plants if they weren't. Radioactive waste is dangerous for 10 thousand years. Not a million. And why are we talking about decommissiong all the nuclear power plants? That's not on the same vein at all.

In the US, much of the world's uranium is enriched. The us has several facilities they all produce horrendous quantities of pollutants into the atmosphere, including Australian owned, enrichment facility at Paducah, Kentucky, each facility requires the electrical output of two 1000-megawatt coal-fired electricity plants, which emit large quantities of carbon dioxide, this enrichment facility and another at Portsmouth, Ohio, released in 2002 from leaky pipes 93% of the chlorofluorocarbon gas emitted annually in the US.

I highly doubt that one facility requires 2000 megawatts of electricity. Maybe annually, but not the entire electrical output of two 1000 megawatt facilities every second. And I would like to here some numbers and names of pollutants released by these facilities. Because one leaky pipe ain't gonna cut it.

These unregulated isotopes include the noble gases krypton, xenon and argon. To make matters worse, a study released in 2005 by the National Academy of Sciences shows that cooling pools at nuclear reactors, which store up to 30 times more radioactive material than that of the core, all are subject to attacks by terrorists, which would unleash an inferno of massive clouds of deadly radiation
Let me remind you this would be significantly worse than the radiation released by Chernobyl, if only 5 of these facilities were to be strategically attacked semi successfully, it is suggested that nearly 2/3rds of the us would suffer fallout.

Do you know why they are called noble gases? They don't react with anything. They are chemically inert. An attack by terrorists would be a terrible thing. Fortunately there are safeguards for that sort of occurence. An inferno? What exactly is causing the fire? Come on, this is at least as much propaganda as what you claim the nuclear industy is putting out. Even though it is the most heavily regulated industry in America.

nuclear waste contained in the cooling pools includes hundreds of radioactive elements that have different biological impacts in the human body, the most important being cancer and genetic diseases, that will pass on through your children forever. Contrary to the nuclear industry's propaganda, nuclear power is therefore not green and it is certainly not clean. Nuclear reactors consistently release millions of curies of radioactive isotopes into the air and water each year. These releases are unregulated because the nuclear industry considers these particular radioactive elements to be biologically inconsequential.

Gee, I guess it's a good thing they are in the cooling pools then, those many tons of water protecting you from the radiation. And cancer is not an inherited disease. The propensity for cancer is inherited in some cases, but the disease itself is not. And these genetic diseases.. first the DNA has to be damaged, then they have to get into the germ line, then they have to make it through the complex series of steps involved in meiosis. Then one of the four has to combine with an egg or sperm for the child to inherit the disease. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, nuclear power is safe. How exactly are these "millions of curies" released? The steam that never comes in contact with the nuclear core? The cooling water that also never comes in contact with the core? From the core directly which is contained inside a massive steel and lead box, which is then covered in a concrete box? I fail to see where these isotopes are coming from. Sounds like more propaganda produced by anti-nuclear activists to me.

On another side; you can now paint on a solar electric coating to any surface, think of it every building in town painted with solar reactive paint, just the fact you paint it, your house generates power from its own walls and roof.


think green and think clean

This solar electric coating hasn't gotten past the conceptual stage yet, let alone brought to market.

How about you just stop and think in general.

Some of my forum land? Shut up. The reason I am acting like this is, you are pissing me off. You are acting like a tool. If you would actually post well researched, well-thought out posts with some semblance is proper spelling, punctuation and grammar, I might be more inclined to treat you like an adult.



Now on to people who actually know what they are talking about.

One thing that may be smart is to move to small-scale local power. Not a nuclear reactor in your background, but perhaps city governments should move towards encouraging and possibly subsidising the addition of solar-style power to one's house, to power some of one's own personal needs. One of the problems with traditional centralised power is loss in transmission and distribution - 7.2% in the US (1995) and 7.4% in the UK (1998). That's of total electricity produced (well, converted from energy).

But, obviously, that won't supply near enough power, especially given the issues with solar heating. Still, it could help considerably, and reduce the need for centralised power plants.

Something that actually comes up with "local" solar power is the ugliness factor - generally, solar panels are considered to be eyesores. HOWEVER, I've found some buildings around here where they are not noticeable or actually look good. The main key is for the panels not to be simply slapped down or, better yet, for the initial house design to incorporate solar panels directly into the design.

*Nod* It would certainly help decrease the overall consumption from the central power plants. I don't oppose solar power on principle, I just know that it's good in addition to whatever the primary power producer is, but not as a primary producer by itself. Like I said, solar power is great as a supplement to the power coming in from the national grid. I just wish we could make it more efficient. Right now only 20% or so of the radiation falling on the panels is converted to electricity. That's why so much land area is required for large scale power generation. And the zero energy buildings... I've heard of them before. They are another way to reduce the workload on the national grid.

[The Beatles]

Volkov, although it's quite true that living next to a nuclear power plant is safer than mowing your lawn, that applies only to a well-designed system. Unfortunately, if you are not German or Swiss, you will not design a perfect system. (Joke! Joke!) We all know how dilapidated old USSR nuclear power plants can be, and a majority of such plants have actually not been built to the highest standard (partly as that standard evolves), and consequently some have actually put people at higher risk. That, also, is a sad fact. Workers in such plants are in an even worse position.

But I completely agree with you that fission (and fusion if it ever produces returns) are the future. Although I wouldn't dismiss radiation-based power sources out of hand quite so fast; several current prototypes for space vehicles use solar radiation to propel themselves.

[Gen. Volkov]

Yeah, alot of the Soviet built plants are junk. Poorly built, bad containment systems, bad cooling systems, and now they are poorly maintained as the Russians are pretty much broke. They have enough trouble feeding their citizens, let alone maintaining highly complex nuclear reactors. The best thing they have going for them is highly trained and dedicated workers in those plants, who still do there best despite lack of funds and poor to no pay.

Well I'm not dismissing solar radiation for use in space. There it's great, no attenuation by the atmosphere, the power requirements are small, and there are no cloudy days. In fact, you never even have a night if you don't want it. The only problem with it in space is, the farther out you go, the less power you recieve. By the time you get to the asteroid belt, you've lost a full third of the power you were recieving around Earth. By Jupiter, that's decreased to half. So I don't dismiss them for near Earth operations, but there's a reason the Voyager probes had a nuclear power source in addition to their solar panels.

I believe you are talking about the solar sail concept? I love that idea. The first time I heard about solar sails, I thought, that's a great idea.

[The Beatles]

Indeed, solar sails and all variations thereto.

On that note, isn't the Voyager project so impressive? Still transmitting data after some 30 years after being launched! Voyager I has recently escaped the solar system!

[Gen. Volkov]

God yes, and the ideals behind it. Exploration for explorations sake. What great craftmanship too. Voyager 1 has lived long enough for us to know how far the suns protection lasts. And for us to know for sure, that we have sent the first interstellar craft out into the great emptiness. What I wouldn't give for a few images of what it must be seeing right now. The sun and all of the solar system, just tiny stars.

[Freenhult]

I was joking about the cars...Although it would be funny if that were to happen.

[Tetigustas shadowson]

so all of Alaska is in summer like the lower continental united states eh?
There is no way even a single acre could be in a frozen state huh_.

Wow more products of a 9-5 educational system, I'm sure glad to see your schooling didn't go to waste....................

its sad your simple mind cannot grasp the concept of multiple topics, one leads to another stupwad if you change out to solar or wind or poop on a stick its the same thing those old dino sites must be decomped....................

doesn't your tag have moderator group beside it?
one tends to think a moderator has patience, a calm outlook, has seen and done many things and has grown to be knowledgeable in the ways of forums
most would laugh a little and allow the author of a thread to speak his mind but you seem to be a common user with a schniz load of posts, so your just another spammer I see.


by the by .....
I didn't even read your post, I really dislike it when
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>mods abuse their power and flame users</span>!
your utmost aggression toward me is ill guarded and shows you have not the skill it takes to be a mod..
you have gone out of your way to flame every post I have input, with exception to the first post of the thread, `here is a clue' quoting an entire post is nothing if not a pure flame!

your title should be stripped from you and bestowed upon some one with a bit more intelligence and patience
your opinion has just lost any merit it could have gained by your eloquent post......................

in the early eighties I worked as an apprentice on a job that was, a cutting edge low energy use building.
it proly was a near zero to zero-energy structure, they covered the entire roof with glass panels, each panel held several glass tubes that passed liquid through them.
the sunlight heated the fluid, pumps run on solar panels, purged the liquid throughout the offices spaces.

you have about pissed me off and I have way more patience than you ever will!

to criticize me for punctuation is childish and belittles you more than it does me!

I said nothing to the arguments that spawned in the first of this thread, even though they had little top do with the topic, I would appreciate you having the same respect and consideration that I had given them!

A simple request ………….. Let me frikin speak my peace and voice my opinions!
You would rather I started this thrad then let you run it like some godly bully!

Your flames have rendered any comment from the others, to not be entered


stop it, jack hole!

[The Beatles]

I'm sorry to say Tetiqustas does have a point, Volkov: a moderator should preserve his calm, which you've lost once or twice in this topic.

[Gen. Volkov]

So two posts means I all of the sudden have flamed you throughout the entire thread, except the first one?

So is this town you read about in Alaska, and more important is it above the Artic circle?

The rest is just not worth commenting on, except for this: I have in no way abused my powers. I haven't edited or deleted any of your posts. And if I flame you, you will know.

Beatles, if you want to take away my mod title, that's fine. I tried to remain calm, but it's hard to have a discussion when someone barely takes notice of your posts, or anyone elses for that matter.

[Freenhult]

...I find no fault with Volkov other than being over aggresive in his responce. He has not flamed, and some of the comments made by both were both a bit odd.

No need for titlestriping...Nobody has done anything wrong.

[Tetigustas shadowson]

well lets see......
A: I live in Alaska
B: I didnt read about this village
C: you have stomped me out and rendered my posts commentless!
D: I started this thread, youd think I could make a post to it, with out getting my head ripped off buy the mod!
E: All my comments on the polution from nuclear electircity is fact, not fiction. If you would let the steam out of your eyes, youd be able to read the facts as I presented them!

and if these damned themes wouldnt conflict with my version of win, I wouldnt get a ton of posts to suddenly show up after my post, that where not there when I postsed my comment.
you may turn off your system, I cannot, and when I hit refresh those cute little posts of yours dont show up!

all in all.......
I just wanted to converse with persons who would like to converse about global warming, if it is to much of a tiopic for you, I am truely sorry!


so tell me why does the honda car get less milage than it did when it was first released!
corperate lies...?
kickbacks...?
or do they think we are all dumb and cannot remember the honda CVCC got nearly 50 miles to the gallon.

why all of a sudden is 40 miles to the gallon greate milage, thats the same as my first motorcycle got and it was a used bike. now days a bike dont get even that kinda milage, whats the deal more lies?

[Freenhult]

How can you say Nuclear power produces that pollution? If they were really spitting out that much I'd be dead (We are 50 miles away from one). The Great Lakes would be dead. And the cancer rate would be through the roof. Lastly, if they are killing everything, why haven't people noticed and destroyed the plants? Last time I was to Warren Dunes, the trees looked pretty healthy.

[The Beatles]

Oh, my dear chap, title-stripping never came up. I merely pointed out that tempers had indeed been frayed in the topic.