"Free Energy"

[Tetigustas shadowson]

lets see.....
Irish firm.....!
Irish scientists.....!
Irish idea.....!
discovered in an Irish pub......!

its a Media Ploy...............just to bring added attention to Ireland again,
they've been out of the news now, ever since they stopped killing each other on Sundays!

[Gen. Volkov]

Yes, I was adding the third law too though, Beatles, which says that you cannot create order out of chaos.

[The Beatles]

You can, just with energy. That's why we're here.

But anyways, doesn't the Third Law have to do with entropy being constant if there is no energy?

[Gen. Volkov]

Yes, but the point is energy does not spontaneously go from less ordered to more ordered, which is another requirement for "free energy". However you can create order out of chaos in matter by injecting energy into the system.

The common definition of the Third law has to do with the entropy of a system at absolute zero. That is to say, the entropy of a system at absolute zero is zero, and from that all other determinations of entropy are made relative to that absolute. It also proves the impossibility of reaching absolute zero.

[The Beatles]

Although I think I could object to your first paragraph in professional terms, I'm not a professional. We agree on college-student terms.

[Gen. Volkov]

Exactly. Let's just leave it at that. My brain has become to mushy over the summer to get into any serious debate about entropy.

[Nuclear Raunch]

There was a big debate over free energy many years ago. a man apparantly put a "doughnut" (insulated coil with leads coming off) around a utility company transmission line and used it to steal power. He said that he couldn't be stealing power since he never touched the line. He lost.

[Tetigustas shadowson]

Ok lets be serious for a minute

I've been doing around their claims; they are not exactly creating some new tech......
Are you familiar with Tesla....

Its Tesla's works they are dabbling into, many other inventors have found ways of extracting energy from permanent magnets, its nothing new.
The oil companies, utilities and governments are the ones who are denying magnetic research.
For decades the governments haven’t even advanced in the field of magnetism and magnetic research, they left it up ham radio freaks, medical researchers and rouge scientists.
WHY NOT?
Tesla himself got fed up with the powers that be, pulled his creations and locked away some of the most innovative technologies ever created.

If you don’t know who Tesla is, check out some of his works:

A new modern car, run on Tesla tech.
http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1

One of the most important Tesla sites
http://www.tesla-museum.org/meni_en.htm

A little weird Tesla history
http://www.kerryr.net/pioneers/tesla.htm


The image depicted is the AC generator with out it you’d be in the dark!
http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/history/people/pioneers.html#Tesla

Stranger things have been known to happen, science is but a perversion of itself unless it has as its ultimate goal the betterment of humanity.

Don’t reply on that scientific marvel you call a computer, if you don’t believe in miracles…..

[Nuclear Raunch]

The car actually looks pretty cool. I'm glad to see a somewhat feasible EV option being made available. 4 second 0-60 is utterly ridiculous, incredible for a "regular" car and mindboggling for an EV.

I'm a bit nervous about the cost of battery replacement and a back up vehicle would be recommended, but if I had the money to spare I would seriously consider buying it.

[windhound]

I'm confused about the Tesla Motors link
yes, it is a spiffy, shiny car. but its powered by lith bateries, same as a laptop. Other than electric motors being made of magnets I fail to see the relationship between the car and 'free energy'

btw, its lithium-ion batteries that have been exploding as of late a crate of them sponatenously combusted while in an airplane's hold, and Dell had a recall on some of their exploding laptop batteries

electric motors are so so much simpler than gas or desiel, meaning the chances of somthin going wrong and the car breaking down are much reduced.

[Gen. Volkov]

Tesla also suggested we electrify the planet so that you could get power simply by sticking a metal rod in the ground. But that's not the point. There's a difference between a computer and "free" energy. Free energy is impossible. Flat out impossible. It would break 3 of the fundamental laws of the universe. Technically the energy we get from the sun is "free". But it's not. The sun burns itself to create that energy. We can recieve it and use it for power for a low cost, but it's not something out of nothing, which is what these people are claiming to have done. The "many other inventors" are crackpots or liars, just like these people.

And BTW, you are wrong about "governments" not researching magnetism. The focus has just shifted to electromagnetic waves. The reason no one besides crackpots looks at this sort of thing (Magnets making free energy) is because some very smart people with names like Newton, Einstein, Boyle, and Heisenberg all have agreed that it's impossible.

[The Beatles]

The low entropy of a permanent magnet does mean that you can theoretically extract energy out of it. But we don't actually have the tech to do that today. Plus if we did, it would be just another thing we dug out of the earth, like oil, until it was spent. There's only so many deposits of magnets around, iron or neodynium.

[Gen. Volkov]

Right, but it wouldn't be "free" energy, it would just be energy. A rather strange source, but it would still just be energy.

[The Beatles]

I wasn't disputing that, 'specially as I've made about 6 posts in the topic mentioning the laws of thermodynamics.

Then again, I am a stickler like you, so I understand why you posted.

[Gen. Volkov]

*laughs*. So nice to be understood.