Politics - American

[Philip]

Firefox 2 has session restore.

Where did Firefox 2 get session restore?:-)

[Devari]

The developers added it in, Philip.

[Philip]

The developers added it in, Philip.

Thanks for the info. :*laughs*:

[windhound]

heh. guess which firefox is now availible for FC6?
firefox i386 1.5.0.8-1.fc6
but, gaim is special.
gaim i386 2:2.0.0-0.19.beta4.fc6
we get beta gaim by default, which is rare.. they dont usually put beta stuff in the repos if there is a stable version out

anyways,

pilots are officers so they don't take the ASVAB, however I saw no Air Force jobs requiring anything over a 55. Intel and air traffic controller stand out to me as being 2 jobs that would sure be nice to have a somewhat elevated standard for entry.

A 2.2 GPA is needed to stay enrolled at North Carolina State for most areas (I think, maybe 2.0)
However, I can almost say for certain that those with the 4.0 are gonna get the nice jobs, atleast at first
Just because you can apply for a position with a low ASVAB does not mean you'll get it
Also some people just dont take tests well. Albert Einstein was a failure in school. Does this mean he was an idoit?
Knowing how to fly a plane and the organs in a frog are not the same thing

The worst part of the FF crash is finding that damn table. I had to sift through a ton of links to find it too. Anyway income for the top had grown by 37%.

This, to my knowledge, is basically part of Bush being a republican. Help out the buisnesses, which will grow and prosper, and the benifits will trickle down to the employees. Naturally, human greed comes into play. But we can make thousands of other topics to that end.

table 7.1 (click on link, then click on table 7.1 on the left side) is actually counting on Bush to slow down on his spending. With Democratcs now in charge of the House and Senate he actually probably will, but not by choice.

Spending would slow naturually anyways, even if the dems hadnt taken over. The war was expensive. Instead of loads of troops and less advanced weapons we sent less troops and highly advanced weapons. The type which can take out a single target and not effect anything else. Those things were costly as hell. We're mostly done with the big guns now.

Most of the debt is owed to American's, but a solid 44% is still owned by foreigners. Waaaayyyyy more than needed to send us into a Great Depressionesque economic tailspin overnight. Some foreign banks have already started slowly selling off US debt over concerns of our trade and budget deficits, and we are in danger of the snowball effect of a nonmalicious sell off as well as a malicious kind.

yesh.
not great with history, but I believe our debt was started comming out of the great depression and has grown on from there. Its not going to disappear all at once.. unless we just nuke the countries that we owe money to. If they dont exist we dont have to pay them
predicting the future is iffy at best. last week the weather guy said it was going to be sunny and warm today. Its cool and rainy. Numbers are easier to predict, but still hazy and depends on quite a bit of stuff. Predicting what other people will do, much less countries, is a losing battle.

It's jumped from 5.7 to 8.6 in 5 years

thats a hefty jump. 8.6 - 5.7 = 2.9. thats .58 per year. Two 4 year terms = 8 years, so at current trends Bush will have added on 4.64. If you account for less spending, we'll say maybe .38 per year, so now we're around 4. Not quite doubling, but close.

[The Beatles]

George Washington was erudite, but displayed his love for his fellow colonists via his actions. Mr. Bush is, with the best possible intentions, a hillbilly, and doesn't seem to show his love for his countrymen with his actions -- not the poor ones, anyway.

[Philip]

George Washington was erudite, but displayed his love for his fellow colonists via his actions. Mr. Bush is, with the best possible intentions, a hillbilly, and doesn't seem to show his love for his countrymen with his actions -- not the poor ones, anyway.

That George is some hero.
Glad to see you,

MR IS trace your descent

like
. In any case, But he is not the only one.

[Nuclear Raunch]

OT: I'm freaking pissed, I was farting around looking at how ASVAB scores are calculated and I discovered that I needed ONE MORE FREAKING QUESTION ANSWERED CORRECTLY.

It's sad because it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever, but this actually does bother me.

Anyway, anyone know what the max composites for the Corps is?

[Philip]

OT:  I'm freaking pissed, I was farting around looking at how ASVAB scores are calculated and I discovered that I needed ONE MORE FREAKING QUESTION ANSWERED CORRECTLY.

It's sad because it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever, but this actually does bother me.

Anyway, anyone know what the max composites for the Corps is?

When was this exactly?What a shame. I like the way you talk.

[Nuclear Raunch]

Years and years and years ago, yes it is, and go to a dock. Plenty of sailors talk like I do.

[Philip]

Years and years and years ago, yes it is, and go to a dock.  Plenty of sailors talk like I do.

I think Years and years and years ago yes it is a lot of things.
I have no idea what to say.

[Gen. Volkov]

Bah FF crashed on me after I had a bunch of crap written out. In brief, pilots are officers so they don't take the ASVAB, however I saw no Air Force jobs requiring anything over a 55. Intel and air traffic controller stand out to me as being 2 jobs that would sure be nice to have a somewhat elevated standard for entry.

Umm. You must be looking at different lists than I, cause I found a bunch of jobs requiring well over a 55. Sucks about FF. Not all pilots are officers Nuke. Sgts. also fly planes, just not fighters I think. And there's also what wondy said.

The worst part of the FF crash is finding that damn table. I had to sift through a ton of links to find it too. Anyway income for the top had grown by 37%.

Top what % again? 10? That is a bit absurd, but I have to wonder how much of the top 10% actually grew and how much experienced the same dip. It could just be case of the really rich lifted the rest of them. Cause CEO salaries have been growing at an absurd rate. You know as well as I that you can't lump the top 10% into one homogeneous group.

5+2=7, Bush has an 8 year term. And table 7.1 (click on link, then click on table 7.1 on the left side) is actually counting on Bush to slow down on his spending. With Democratcs now in charge of the House and Senate he actually probably will, but not by choice.

What link? My link? Your link? Right, so 5.7 to 8.6 in 6 years. I'm not denying that's a big jump, but that's only .48 per year, which sticks us 9.5, not 10.4, still not double. And if he slows down, it's even lower. But we can't tell the future, so we don't know. It could hold at it's current amount for the next two years, or it could quadruple, it's just flat out impossible to tell. So honestly, I think we'll just have to wait and see. And like I said, it still would have taken decades to get us out of this even without Bush increasing it. 5.7 trillion is still a hell of alot of money. And the war in Iraq certainly made a big different in how big the debt is, without that, I don't think we'd even been talking about the debt.

Most of the debt is owed to American's, but a solid 44% is still owned by foreigners. Waaaayyyyy more than needed to send us into a Great Depressionesque economic tailspin overnight. Some foreign banks have already started slowly selling off US debt over concerns of our trade and budget deficits, and we are in danger of the snowball effect of a nonmalicious sell off as well as a malicious kind.

44%? Really? Hmm, yes, it would cause major economic troubles, Great Depression maybe not, but certainly very bad. But I don't think banks will sell off massive amounts, because we are still the world's economic motor. A hostile foreign government might, but I doubt it, because they would then have no market. We buy very large percentages of the world's output, and if we collapse, we take the rest of the world down with us. The only people who might want to do it are not major trading partners or debtees anyway. Take the Japanese, as long we remain their largest trading partner and their staunch allies, I don't see them calling in any real large amount of debt from us. Britain is the same way, we are her second largest trading partner and staunchest ally. Not allies with the chinese, but still there largest trading partner. Those are the top three in the debtee list, I don't know who the rest all are, but I doubt it includes anyone who really hates us.

Also, the biggest debt we've ever had was at the end of WW2, maybe not absolute, but in terms of percentage of our GDP, it is far and away the biggest. The other big spike was WW1, but it doesn't even rate a second glance compared to WW2.

[Nuclear Raunch]

Ahh, well the site I looked at had no openings for enlisted pilots but they did for officers so I assumed they all had to be officers.

If I remember right CEO salaries are now up to 150:1 as compared to the average employee. Wayyyyyy too high imo. Table 7.1 For comparison, look at what was predicted in 2003. (click on section 7 on left side) We're already damn near a tril over what they had projected 3 years ago. The links stay similiar, so you can just manually edit the year in the url to easily find different years. I haven't bothered to check out each year so I don't know when they figured out that they were gonna be overspending their projections. My guess would be the day after the 04 elections but who knows

Well if I was China and I wanted to be the world's only superpower I would give this a lot of serious consideration. One could easily argue that they would be able to withstand something of that nature much better than us at present. Sure the entire world would go into a depression, but once it's over China is sitting there with a vastly improved infrastructure, a lot of trained people in their workforce, plenty of manufacturing plants there are already producing essential items, they have cheap labor, they don't have much prior obligations to retirees to slow down their recovery, etc... Really, they could honestly be setting us up right now, just waiting to get some more infrastructure in place before they pull the trigger so to speak.

If they did pull it off, they would have knocked us off our throne without doing anything overtly ambitious. No reason to incur the world's disfavor (cept for that which is always reserved for the guy on top) over their new position, no risky wars, no Armageddon, no need to have a massive military, attrition will take ours under in no time, absolutely flawless plan. *If* they can pull it off.

Then of course there's the innocent snowballing effect that could happen at any time. Black Friday all over again.

Post WW2 was indeed our worst, however we actually rebounded quite nicely (as a %) after WW2, until Reagan/Bush sr. At that point we jumped a ton, dropped a little under Clinton, then took off again under Bush jr. After 4 years of jr we are now back up to mid WW2 levels (which is still much lower than what it was right after WW2)

[Gen. Volkov]

Ahh, well the site I looked at had no openings for enlisted pilots but they did for officers so I assumed they all had to be officers.

Nod, I see how it would be easy to make that assumption.

If I remember right CEO salaries are now up to 150:1 as compared to the average employee. Wayyyyyy too high imo. Table 7.1 For comparison, look at what was predicted in 2003. (click on section 7 on left side) We're already damn near a tril over what they had projected 3 years ago. The links stay similiar, so you can just manually edit the year in the url to easily find different years. I haven't bothered to check out each year so I don't know when they figured out that they were gonna be overspending their projections. My guess would be the day after the 04 elections but who knows

The table stuff just proves my point. We cannot predict the future.

Well if I was China and I wanted to be the world's only superpower I would give this a lot of serious consideration. One could easily argue that they would be able to withstand something of that nature much better than us at present. Sure the entire world would go into a depression, but once it's over China is sitting there with a vastly improved infrastructure, a lot of trained people in their workforce, plenty of manufacturing plants there are already producing essential items, they have cheap labor, they don't have much prior obligations to retirees to slow down their recovery, etc... Really, they could honestly be setting us up right now, just waiting to get some more infrastructure in place before they pull the trigger so to speak.

If they did pull it off, they would have knocked us off our throne without doing anything overtly ambitious. No reason to incur the world's disfavor (cept for that which is always reserved for the guy on top) over their new position, no risky wars, no Armageddon, no need to have a massive military, attrition will take ours under in no time, absolutely flawless plan. *If* they can pull it off.

Except that the US would be very likely to lash out as the world went down in flames. And if you are China, and you did that to us, you would not want the US to be lashing out. Plus, it would be a HUGE blow to them. We are a very large market for them, and when we go, we would take alot of their biggest trading partners with us. We are are the largest or second largest trading partner to many countries, so when the whole world goes in the tank, China goes in the tank. I just don't think they would risk it. Especially when you consider that 90% of the revolutions in history have coincided with economic depressions. I'm sure the people in power in China don't want to risk losing it.

Then of course there's the innocent snowballing effect that could happen at any time. Black Friday all over again.

I suppose, but I really don't think so. I mean I guess it's possible that a bunch of foreign banks would start cashing in on US debt, but I think someone would notice it and stop it before it damaged our economy. As long as we remain the world's engine and market, they are going to be careful about hurting us economically.

Post WW2 was indeed our worst, however we actually rebounded quite nicely (as a %) after WW2, until Reagan/Bush sr. At that point we jumped a ton, dropped a little under Clinton, then took off again under Bush jr. After 4 years of jr we are now back up to mid WW2 levels (which is still much lower than what it was right after WW2)

We didn't drop under Clinton until right at the end, and it remained well above what he started his presidency at. It actually grew until the final year or so. And not 4 years, 6 years as you pointed out. If it was 4 we'd still have 4 years left of Bush Jr.

[The Beatles]

What do you mean by the US would "lash out"? If China sold all of its dollar reserves, what, exactly, would the US do as a remedy? Invade China? What would that solve?

[Gen. Volkov]

One, I mean if the China selling it's dollar reserves precipitating a US downward economic spiral into a depression, which they may not actually have enough to do, but just saying it did, the US would act much like every other nation that sort of thing happened too and look for a scapegoat. The chinese would be a proximate cause and be perfect. We might invade them or worse, which wouldn't remedy or solve anything, but it would make us feel better. (And pretty much guarantee that China would not come out of the depression in any sort of decent shape whatsoever) That's what I mean when I say "lash out".

Personally I think we the world dodged a bullet when the Soviet Union collapsed, it would have been very easy for them or an unhappy general to have done something incredibly stupid. It was a different situation than the scenario we are talking about, but when countries/empires collapse, very bad things can happen.