I'm sure you all know the date today

[Gen. Volkov]

In salute and tribute to all the heroes of that day, living or dead.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/media/tribute/tribute.html

http://www.jontzen.com/tribute.htm

[Kraken]

indeed.
too bad too many have already forgotten.
forgotten or just choose to ignore.

[bjornredtail]

  In salute and tribute to all the heroes of that day, living or dead.

Seconded.

[Nuclear Raunch]

I hate this anniversary

[Freenhult]

I hate this anniversary

Ditto. Its like Pearl Harbor. I'm not disrespectful to the people that died or were there, but yeah. I watched it happen, at school. Live. Its something that we shouldn't forget, but we don't need to make such a hoohaa about it.

[Gen. Volkov]

I think we should always remember, and it's now been 6 years, which is indeed time enough for some to forget.

I don't think I posted anything like this on the previous anniversaries, and I'm partially doing this because of the rise of the 9/11 Truth movement which is using misquotes, inaccurate reports, and outright lies to try and convince us that it was a hoax or that the government did it. Those people piss me off, and I'm just trying to get people to realize why they should be pissed off about it as well. Because 3000 people died in the worst attack in US History, and we all watched it happen.

So go to those sites that I linked too, and then go spam "9/11 Truth" sites until they shut down. Especially the "Loose Change" retards.

[bjornredtail]

Hummm...

http://xkcd.com/258/ <-- That pretty much sums it up with regards to conspiracy theories.


To think it was also the 150th anniversary of the Mountain Meadows Massacre...

[Kraken]

but we don't need to make such a hoohaa about it.

no, thats right freen, dont mak4e such a "hoohaa about it". of course: it affected you so minimally that you can make such a statement.
too bad that those who choose not to make a "hoohaa about it" are the ones who have the strongest opinions about what to do about it. maybe they should look a little more outward.
Volkov: ignorance spreads lies.

[Gen. Volkov]

Volkov: ignorance spreads lies.

I know.

<-- That pretty much sums it up with regards to conspiracy theories.

I know, but that doesn't help those who have been sucked into them. The mocking and constant refutation of their ideas only makes them more certain that they are right. It's best to stop people from ever falling into that trap in the first place.

To think it was also the 150th anniversary of the Mountain Meadows Massacre...

Wow, yeah, I had forgotten about that. Of course, given that I last read about it over 6 years ago, it's understandable.

[Freenhult]

but we don't need to make such a hoohaa about it.

no, thats right freen, dont mak4e such a "hoohaa about it". of course: it affected you so minimally that you can make such a statement.
too bad that those who choose not to make a "hoohaa about it" are the ones who have the strongest opinions about what to do about it. maybe they should look a little more outward.
Volkov: ignorance spreads lies.

No. I'm pretty sure that if it had effected me, I'd still be the same. Unless something happened to you, then your opinion on the matter weighs the same as mine.

I choose not to make it such a major thing because its done. It happened. Its over. When I die, I don't want people wandering around the graveyard 10 years after that. Why? Because there are better ways to do remembrance than waiting around the graveyard for the one day out of the damn year to do it. If you wanna mope around in sorrow for the 3000 that died in that attack, do it every damn day, and not just one. Doing just for Sept. 11th, doesn't make it okay and you a good person. Thats like going to church on only Christmas and Easter. That doesn't make you a good Christian or whatever the hell you are. That just proves that you give a damn around that time and only then, because you're self conscious and don't wanna look like a asshat for not doing anything about it.

So when Sept. 11th rolls around again, I'm not gonna do anything differently. And don't tell me that I need to whatever you said. I'm extremely open minded. I pay my respects to them in my own way in accordance to how I feel and look at those. And sometimes, people have to die and be examples before stuff gets done. Its a shame, its sad, but for some reason, nothing gets done until people die it seems anymore. So Instead of being all "Wahh People died because terrorist flew the planes into the towers" I'm all like, "Thanks for being the example that prevented other attacks and forced out lame government to take these people seriously and dish out an asspounding." You might think thats right, but thats your opinion. I don't' wanna have to be one of those people that have to die for a difference start, I'd rather have seen it not happened, and it changed on its own. But it wouldn't.

Just like in the Chaser's video. You said something like "Too bad a bunch of aussies didn't get blown up". You know. Thats pretty disrespectful. Those people that did that video PREVENTED something like that from happening. I say, "Thanks guys, you just saved a ton of lives". and what do they get? Prolly jail time or fines. How (Profanity is a sign of Maturity)ed up is that? You can't change anything wihtout doing something. You don't KNOW theres a problem until something goes wrong. You don't look at the shuttle exterior everytime for no reason. We do now. Why? Because people died. Why do we check baggage more tightly and stop crazy people? Because people died.

All changes for the most part in todays society result because someone died.

I realize that. Its the same. I'm not trying to minamize the loss. Just stating what it is. It does bug me that I'm safer because someone died. But I can't do anything abotu that. Atleast not yet.

So you all next year can pop in your 9/11 videos and watch that stuff again, and for a few hours get all pumped up and yell and go harass some Arabs or something. I'll just be here doing my own thing.





Yes, This is me mad. I MAY edit later. Doubt it though. I'm done with this pretty much. If you disagree, great. If you don't, great. I don't care what people think on this. I just want them to understand what I think, so they don't get all pissy when I say I won't be doing anything special.

[windhound]

Wow, yeah, I had forgotten about that. Of course, given that I last read about it over 6 years ago, it's understandable.

I think we should always remember, and it's now been 6 years, which is indeed time enough for some to forget.

well there you go, confirmation
To many people Sept. 11th was just that, somthing they read about in the papers and saw on tv. You read about the Massacre 6 years ago, but didnt remember it.
People are more apt to remember Sept. 11th because every anniversery its brought out of its cabinet, polished, and set on display. Then on Sept. 12th its put away again.

Sept. 11th also still effects everyone. It was the catylist for the Iraq war. Its severly hightened airplane security. Its made people jumpy.
The guy killed in brittian a while back for not stopping when the police chased him probably wouldnt have been shot proir to 9/11.

All changes for the most part in todays society result because someone died.

A schoolbus stop that parents compalined about for years only got changed when a little girl was hit and killed crossing the road. Now, and only now, the schoolboard is planning on revising it
An intersection with a stopsign only gets concideration for a stoplight when the crashes mount up. There are some downright dangerous intersections around here, but they wont change without a catylist
And yes, sadly, most of the time that catylist is someone, usually many people's, death.
But for the most part people think 'if it aint broke..." So first it has to prove to be broken
The Chaser's proved APEC's security was broken, and now it'll probably be looked into to see ways of improving it

*shrug*
at what point in time does it become acceptible to leave somthing in the past?
what year will television programs and newspapers nolonger remind us that on Sept. 11th terrorists struck the nation?

[Kraken]

*hands freen a tissue and a diaper

anyways: those who forget the past are doomed to relive it in the future.

as porky pig says: Thats all folks!

[Gen. Volkov]

So you all next year can pop in your 9/11 videos and watch that stuff again, and for a few hours get all pumped up and yell and go harass some Arabs or something. I'll just be here doing my own thing.

I know you weren't accusing me specifically of this, but I'd just like to explain my own position. It's not that I don't think about 9/11 through the rest of the year. I most certainly do. It's just that anniversaries are something special, and I feel it's most appropriate to post these little reminders on those days. Anniversaries are celebrated, mourned, and derided, but they are important. For married couples, it represents another year they have managed to make it through and stay together. For deaths, it marks another year since that person died, and is a time to reflect both on their lives and the life you have led since. For tragic events, it's much the same. It's a time to reflect on what happened, and what you have done since. It's a time to assess what you have done, and decide where to move forward to do your part in making sure it never happens again. It's also a time to mourn and honor the dead and the heroes of that day. Maybe you do so throughout the rest of the year, but that doesn't mean you cant' join with others in doing so on this day.

well there you go, confirmation
To many people Sept. 11th was just that, somthing they read about in the papers and saw on tv. You read about the Massacre 6 years ago, but didnt remember it.

Glad you caught that, it was rather my point. *laughs*.

at what point in time does it become acceptible to leave somthing in the past?

Well, it depends on the event. For 9/11, I don't think that time will come for many years. Not until most of the people who were there are dead. (From old age that is) For myself, I find that appropriate.