Football discussion

[Kraken]

Wow! what a week!

Shockers:
The Lions loosing to the Cardinals. dear me. i still think that they are a good team though. The Chargers beating the Colts either the Chargers caught back some of that flare that they had last season or the Colts just played a crappy game. The Rams beating the Saints: its a shame whenever a loosing team gets thier first win off of you in the middle of the season.

How about them Packers eh? 8-1 and sitting pretty on thier division!
Farve becomes only the second QB to ever pass over 60,000 yards

I had the Giants picked over the Cowboys and didnt Owens look quite good?
it was a dissapointing game over all (for me anyways)

Chicago manhandled the Raiders (poor Nuke) and i was suprised the the Eagles beat a very good Redskin team.

here is a question: which division is the toughest to be in right now?
i think the NFC east is one of the toughest to be in and the most balanced even though the Cowboys have complete control over it right now. i bet the big Tuna is wishing he hung around for one more season.

[Gen. Volkov]

AFC South, far and away. It's got 4 monster teams, headed by the Colts. In the NFC, I'd say it was the NFC North or East. I'd prolly go with North because of the Packers.

Oh and Kraken, the Colts played a fine game, cept for Peyton's 6 INTS and the missed field goal at the end to lose it, *laughs*.

[Nuclear Raunch]

I dunno about manhandled but they did win. Oakland had the lead and held them to 3 points all the way up until the last 3 minutes or so, then they hit a bomb to Berrian that really, really, really should have been called back for a hold. Sapp had broke free and the o linemen, who was behind Sapp, had his arm around Sapp's neck and had Sapp's jersey so twisted around that the numbers on the front of his jersey were all the way to the back and there was no call. It happened directly in front of Grossman to and should have been seen. Hell something that blatant should have been called even if they were in the stands.

The second TD was just a garbage time TD and certainly would not have happened had Oakland been ahead. After Berrian's TD Oakland had to score a TD with 3 minutes left, so McCown was running around for forever and ended up getting the ball stripped which the Bears recovered on the 2 and punched in the very next play. Not saying Oakland would have won for sure, but they probably would have. Not that wins are particularly relevant now...

[Gen. Volkov]

I didn't see a hold Nuke, but even if there was, the refs missed all kinds of calls that game anyway. And they had quite a few real questionable ones as well.

He really wasn't running around all that long before the sack and the strip. It may or may not have happened if they weren't behind, but it certainly could have. What I disagree with was punching it in. I know they were on the two, but I would have just taken a knee and let the clock run out. As battered as the Bears D is, I wouldn't want to risk anymore players getting hurt.

[Nuclear Raunch]

There's no way Oakland would have been passing the ball with under 2 minutes left and a lead. In 275 passing plays Oakland has averaged 5.1 YPA and a turnover every 16 plays, rushing they get 4.8 YPA and a turnover every 271 plays. Plus they only complete 50% of the passes so they only use up half the clock time. No way it's worth the risk to pass. (BTW the numbers are even worse in the 4th quarter as far as turnovers go, and in that particular game the running game was working relatively well while the passing game was horrid)

As far as the hold goes, pause it at about 1:32, even though it's a pretty grainy vid you can still see the hold pretty clearly thanks to the white sweatband or cast or whatever the hell it is on the o lineman's arm.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=20 ... e_id=29336

Not that I particularly mind the loss, it's one step closer to us getting Howies baby.

EDIT: Did you see Tillman cheapshot uhhhh crap can't remember who, one of the Raiders' special teamers. After the play he hit him helmet to helmet right in the earhole (keep in mind that the day before that the league sent out a memo and said they would eject players for a blatant helmet to helmet) well after the play was over. He didn't get a flag, but he did get a stern lecture from the ref and was allowed to continue playing. *rolls eyes* I bet he gets fined though.

[Gen. Volkov]

As far as the hold goes, pause it at about 1:32, even though it's a pretty grainy vid you can still see the hold pretty clearly thanks to the white sweatband or cast or whatever the hell it is on the o lineman's arm.

I couldn't make it out well, and I certainly didn't see the shirt bunching. But I have seen blocking like that called as holding before. I've also seen it not called though. It didn't materially affect the play though. The ball was already on it's way before the O-line guy did what could be considered holding. Or at least from what I could tell.

I didn't see the cheapshot. I do know that a 63 yard Hester return got called back for holding though. It's just not smart to kick to Hester. They did it throughout the game, but they usually had it so that the punt went down inside the 10 or so. They got lucky that it was so low scoring. Hester could have burned them bad on any kickoff return. Or punting and giving him room to run. Basically they got lucky. *laughs*.

[Kraken]

there was no cheap shot, it was just dramatic over acting to get the penalty.
thats my opinion anyways.

[Nuclear Raunch]

Kraken, I think you're thinking of a different play altogether, John Condo, the player that got cheapshotted, didn't even respond at all. The only response was Jarrod Cooper retalled Tillman and he drew a 15 yard penalty for it. I'm not sure when the fines are announced but I'd be beyond surprised if the Tillman hit did not warrant a decent fine. And apparantly it wasn't just acting because Tillman was talked to about it after they watched it on the replay. Sometimes players get away with things and I could see how it's possible to get a non-call for the hit, but the refs did see it on the replay and all they did was give him a verbal warning for it 24 hours after the league announced players would be ejected for it. With good reason, too many players have lost their careers from getting earholed.

Hester's long return was set up by the hold so it's not a big deal imo, Isaiah had him trapped before the hold. Not saying Hester couldn't have broken the tackle, but the hold was pretty blatant and it did affect the play. Overall the coverage unit played extremely well on arguably the best ever at returning punts. On kickoffs he's very mediocre (not even top 10 this season) but on punts that guy is an absolute beast. The odd thing about it was the normally solid Lechler had crap hangtime on 3 of those punts and left Hester a lot of room to work with, I still can't believe he didn't kill Oakland.

[Kraken]

jeeze...i feel like im pressing the whole luck thing here, but here is some current stats!

Favre: yards passing: 2757 ..... TD's: 16 ..... Interceptions: 8
P. Manning: yards passing: 2386 ..... TD's: 16 ...... Interceptions: 10
Brady: yards passing: 2686 ..... TD's: 33 ...... Interceptions: 4
Romo: yards passing: 2555 ..... TD's: 23 ..... Interceptions: 11
Rothlesberger: yards passing: 2020 .... TD's: 22 .... Interceptions: 7

now, there is what i think is the 5 best QB's on the field this year. think im wrong? tell me some others and i will probably agree! but!
lets see who wins in each catagory.....

yards passing: Bret Favre!
TD's: Brady!
Interceptions: Brady!

now, this is the CURRENT standings as the season is half over and thought i would point these boogers out. interesting!

[Nuclear Raunch]

Best QB? I'd like to nominate Josh McCown as best QB and Russell as the most enviable position.

Not a bad list, I'd like to add Derek Anderson but not sure who he'd replace. 2200 yards and a good TD/int ratio at 20/9

[ohmyjapan16]

Dang Nuke how does it feel to be beat by the Vikings without Adrian Peterson? I'd say it must be pretty embarrassing. Personally, I'd sit him for the rest of the season and lose intentionally to get a solid draft pick. Not like it'd really matter though cause we haven't been too good at that with the exception of A.P.

But seriously, what a terrible game.

And Peyton better get over his loss to the Pats here sometime soon.

My Super Bowl prediction...
Pats (naturally) vs. Packers...

Based on Dallas' performance tonight, I think the Pack have a good shot at beating them a few weeks from now.

[ohmyjapan16]

On a little side note, THANK GOD I have Randy Moss on my fantasy team. 4 TD's in the first half alone so far and 112 rec. yards. I love it.

[Gen. Volkov]

Colts won today. I think they are over the Pats, they are just without Dallas Clark, Gonzalez and Harrison.

Colts vs Packers for SuperBowl. Colts win. Unless the injured Colts players are out for the season.

Bears lost... 30-23. Boo. Bears defense made Hasselbeck look like friggin Tom Brady.

Notre Dame beat Duke. Blew them out actually, 28-7. I mean they should have, but that was no guarantee with this team. So I'm happy about that.

[Nuclear Raunch]

Dang Nuke how does it feel to be beat by the Vikings without Adrian Peterson? I'd say it must be pretty embarrassing. Personally, I'd sit him for the rest of the season and lose intentionally to get a solid draft pick. Not like it'd really matter though cause we haven't been too good at that with the exception of A.P.

But seriously, what a terrible game.

And Peyton better get over his loss to the Pats here sometime soon.

My Super Bowl prediction...
Pats (naturally) vs. Packers...

Based on Dallas' performance tonight, I think the Pack have a good shot at beating them a few weeks from now.

Knew it was gonna happen Minny's got a great run blocking o-line (especially the left side) and Oakland has a putrid rush d. Sapp lost way too much weight and he gets pushed into the stands on every running play, their other DT Gerrard Warren (who was playing well) is hurt, and his backup has been a huge dissappointment. The game did not surprise me, but what did was C pep threw for close to 300 yards. He hasn't thrown for 100 yards in any of his games and now he hits 3?

BTW I was working during the game (first time I've worked through a Raider game in almost 10 years) what'd I miss?

[Kraken]

alrighty!

I got to watch the Packer game on Fox thanks to them playing the Panthers and man: i was impressed. the young talent on that team looked great.
but, i was really impressed by watching the Patriots absolutly destroy the Bills.
i mean: destroy.
i know that the Bills arent that great of a team, but they aint that bad either.
Brady had 5 TD passes! and the Defense looked supurb and any team that wallops another 56 to 10....
and Popov: you really think that the Colts are on the same level as these guys?
the Colts did win, but barely. still, a win is a win right? but the Packers whipped the Chiefs on thier home turf and i dont think the Packers are as good as the Colts.
also, i think Moss...as much as i despised him as a Viking...has found his home and his performance is showing because of it.

Shockers!: is there any this week?
well...the Cleveland vs Baltimore game was a great one....the Jets beat the Stealers, wouldnt of guessed that one, and the Redskins, although they lost, looked like a really good team. give em a couple more years and they will look better and better. Seattle beating Chicago...didnt expect that one either.

now, next week, the Pack goes to Dallas...any perdictions?
i am grim about it personally. Harrison agianst Owens is bound to get some scrapes going: but who is better?
im calling it 50/50.

but to think that it will be a Colts v/s Packers superbowl...thats a far stretch. maybe a Patriots v's Packers/Cowboys sounds more like it to me.