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Post by **Ruddertail** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:02 am

The difference is that noonvale justs sits and peacefully masses food, while agrarians sell that food to buy troops.

Courvein · Post by **Courvein** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:30 pm

zephyrus : **laughs** how true

ruddertail: errr and he's going to get jumped for food, without troops to defend? i noticed also that food doesn't give you that much networth compared to troops.

has anyone ever checked which works better, agarians or indys? e.g with 5k land in foragers or in barracks (depending on if you are agarian or indy), which one comes out ahead with 500 turns in terms of NW?

**Edit** Sorry I should have added: The agarian will convert his food to troops at the end of the run of course to get more NW.

Post by **Ruddertail** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:07 pm

He will get jumped for food, normally. That's why you either have to have a repuation that inspiers fear, or be in clan and give out the food to clan mates.

I'd say an indy would come out ahead, simply because troops are worth more in NW.

Post by **Zephyrus** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:35 pm

Indy comes out ahead since the food --> troop conversion tend not to be profitable. But you have to realize, food doesn't need to eat. And, because of that fact, agrarian is profitable in its own way.

IFman · Post by **IFman** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:38 am

from experience, I have to say that agrarian is more profitable.
If you spend all your turns foraging and then sell the food and buy troops, after 2000 turns yours perpetually unbreakable with 10-20 million of each troop type, plus you get a lot of net. I'm agrarianing in BFR and have about 400 million networth in troops

Courvein · Post by **Courvein** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:09 pm

Ahh. Weren't u with Six Stars?

I've run into a 'cap' with agarian strat. basically, if you have to put all your troops on the market at the beginning of the run to reduce maintenance, then the max you can make out of that run is related to the amount of land u have. and the cycle repeats, so i don't find that i'm actually gaining NW, but rather maintaining the same NW run after run? What am i doing wrong?

IFman · Post by **IFman** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:06 pm

not puting the troops on the public market :*laughs*:
if you put troops on the public/clan market, you can come back for them later if they aren't bought

Courvein · Post by **Courvein** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:37 pm

yeah, the public market was what i was talking about... that's where i stash troops at the beginning of the run.

at the end of the run, on a good day, i can buy out the bazaar, but even when i recall my troops, the NW doesn't change that much? (well, the bazaar only has so many troops u can buy, and hawk prodding only helps so much)

maybe the problem is that i keep putting them on and taking them off the market. it costs me 20% of the troops each time... so actually, if i don't bother doing that, i'll be able to accumulate more NW.

but i still don't see how you're unbreakable? hawks get me all the time

also, from past experience, i don't want to leave things in the market... you never know when someone will decide to kill u, and i prefer having troops around to protect me instead of sitting in the market

IFman · Post by **IFman** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:01 pm

well, if you acquire enough halks, you will be okay in that area.
for protection, don't have all your troops on the market, just enough to leave you with a basic protection

Courvein · Post by **Courvein** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:07 pm

**laughs** what is enough...? i had 800k hawks at one point, but they just rolll right over me hawks

i think it's the same as fighting ppl with only 1 type of troop; unless you have 4 times their NW, you can't fend them off. I just settle for making it expensive for them!

Post by **Ruddertail** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:05 pm

Well, I had 4 mil hawks on 40k acres. If you have 800,000, well, your ratio is pretty poor. The good thing is that a pure hawker will very seldom use hawk battles, since hawk losses are so high. So keep your hawk shield up, and pure hawkers won't be two much trouble.

Courvein · Post by **Courvein** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:38 pm

hmm... this is just day dreaming, but would this help...

at the end of the run, demolish as much huts as possible? that would lower the hawk/hut ratio so that you can defend better against hawk attacks?

otherwise, since hawks cannot be bought off the market, there isn't anyway to beef up your hawks quickly, but building huts and keeping them around for 300-400 turns hurts your food production...

i don't see anyway around it

i guess agarians are just always vulnerable to hawks

Post by **Ruddertail** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:47 am

Yeah, demolishing huts does help. That's what I do when I run a non hawk strat... It's not just agrarians, regular troop indies have problems with them too. Ever been murdered fifty times? Even with sheilds up, it's not fun...

gondor · Post by **gondor** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:27 am

cool i didnt know that rudder thanx for the tip

ohmyjapan16 · Post by **ohmyjapan16** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:25 pm

ohmyjapan is semi-stuck. He makes about 90 bil a run, but with the market losses, he is hurt. Badly. What should he do? Maybe build some barracks?

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