Treatment of Newbies

[Floppy_Drive]

Hi,

I came back a few days ago to play BfR. I signed up under a new name I've never used before. Ran a basic hawk strat. Found out the market had a 90% pull fee.

Anyway, the treatment I received is rather concerning imho. Nobody knew I hadn't just started playing. I used murder on someone. I had a bounty put on me, as well as stuff about me put on the persons profile[1]. How is a newbie supposed to know murders = get you hated for the rest of the set. Nobody thought to mention this to me before doing anything. They also posted about me on the forums[2]. Though not in a mean way at all.

The next person I used them on was largely my part for it going wrong. I was bored so I put a real cheap bounty on them + used murder. Again I received threats later that they would "standard me to nothing". This is no way to treat someone that is new.

I knew what murders would get me, but a newbie would not. We really need to write down some of these unwritten rules imho. Then post them on the fourm and/or put them in the game guide so they at least know what they're getting into. I think it is also important help them, and not just threaten someone who could be a new player. A training clan could go a long way.

Where I was posted about on the forums there was really nothing mean about it or anything. Imho we should of been going "oh, maybe he doesn't know how to play let's help him". Instead just brushing him off as an idiot. All of us had to learn how to play at one point.


[1] = http://mtt.martin.googlepages.com/faf1.png
[2] = http://frostnflame.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3848&st=15
last two posts.

I hope all this made sense and it doesn't start a flame war or anything.

[Shadow I]

A completely new player would not do exclusively murders, they would do all the missions a few times, and I strongly doubt that they would even know what "standard to nothing" means, so it is assumed that you aren't new when you start doing nothing but murder people for no reason and are able to deal relatively gracefully with retaliation.

In short, your noob act needs work before you can pull that kind of thing off. Freen did a good job of it a few rounds ago.

[Floppy_Drive]

I definitely see what you mean. I wasn't trying to act like a noob when I started anyway. I still think someone could just read the manual and see that hawks can do this 3% attack whoah that looks cool. They could also be from another game where it does not equal hate for the rest of the round. I'll do a search for Freens post.

So in short I wasn't doing a noob act.( I'm just not that good at proms ) But I was kind of concerned with how I was treated, because at the very least they didn't know I had played at FAF before.

[Shadow I]

Point taken. However, there a few regular members of this board who spend their time doing nothing but murders anyway. People around here have very little patience for it as a result.

If you want to learn to play a little better I'd be happy to teach you, as I'm sure several others would as well.

Welcome back btw.

[Freenhult]

http://frostnflame.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3642&hl=Newbs

[Freenhult]

Personally, I cite this as a prime example of my research.

[Arthus]

A prime example of incompetance?

[Meestir amayzing]

So in short I wasn't doing a noob act.( I'm just not that good at proms ) But I was kind of concerned with how I was treated, because at the very least they didn't know I had played at FAF before.

well, maybe you shouldn't play promi games if you are no good at them... and WTF is the difference if you are new or not if you online murder (which you did) you should be standarded to hell... but since you're hiding all the way at the bottom nobody can do anything to you cuz you only murder the people at the top... how about you grow a pair and face your problems...

[Arthus]

Considering you spent most of last set murdering people, I would think karma is at work here.

[Shadow I]

Personally, I cite this as a prime example of my research.

yes what ever happened to your war with Arthus? It was just a lot of talk on forums and nothing ever got done in game.

[Floppy_Drive]

Amazing,

The difference would be this. Don't murder unless you want to get hit really hard is an unwritten rule. Not hitting someone when they're online is also an unwritten rule of this game. If you were new you would not know there is anything wrong with doing this. You could just read the manual and say oh these murders look cool. Then use them. You wouldn't know it is treated any differently than any other attack in the game. The same goes for attacking someone while they're online. There is really nothing that says you shouldn't do this unless you want to get hit hard. Which was the point of my first post.

On a second note, if you do not want to get hit like this maybe you should not put arrogant things in your profile. I believe yours said: "*I will destroy you if you murder me* " or something to that. Which is why I used it on you to start with. Because without personal war that would be nearly impossible without being in a clan. Also if you can't figure out a way to hit someone lower than you maybe you should stop making stupid posts.



*EDIT*

To put something of value in my post. What do you guys think of making a list of these sort of things. Things that will get you hated/hurt that you may not think would be that big of a deal when you first start? This would be kind of hard to do though. Because this stuff changes. You could still get the big ones though.

[windhound]

FAF is just a very unfriendly promi to play in
The players will do anything and everything they can to win. If that means stomping newbie/unknowns/everyone then so be it

I dont really begrudge the fact. Most games are played with winning in mind. But most players here will play at the expense of other's having fun.
IE, if you dare let your shields lapse for a few hours you /will/ be murdered. And they'll say it was your fault for letting your defenses lapse.
I really dont like FAF's playerbase. Thus I choose not to play.

edit - Though, I should mention I'm losing interest in promi's anyways. been around too long as is. The only promi I still play is RWL: Turbo because the admins change it every round and its fun to see how people react to the different setups.

[Floppy_Drive]

The thing imho, is that if you bash the new guys they probably won't stay. If there are no new guys the game will die. People leave, just look at all the guys that have left Urran Voh, mpan, lordbrocktree, wadethesling, nick, toad, FWF I could list many more. There is nobody "refilling" the game. If you run off all the new guys there will be nobody to fight with. If you don't know someone the least you can do is message them _personally_ first. Make sure they know what they're doing. You might gain someone who will help you a whole lot later on. Just by being nice.

[Alazar]

The thing imho, is that if you bash the new guys they probably won't stay. If there are no new guys the game will die. People leave, just look at all the guys that have left Urran Voh, mpan, lordbrocktree, wadethesling, nick, toad, FWF I could list many more. There is nobody "refilling" the game. If you run off all the new guys there will be nobody to fight with. If you don't know someone the least you can do is message them _personally_ first. Make sure they know what they're doing. You might gain someone who will help you a whole lot later on. Just by being nice.

These are generally the steps i take, i have made many friends and allies by helping newbies.

[Freenhult]

A prime example of incompetance?

Yes, with you it would seem to be that way, no?

yes what ever happened to your war with Arthus? It was just a lot of talk on forums and nothing ever got done in game.

You're right Shadow! God you're a genius! >____> He never clanned. What the hell do you expect to happen? You can only smite so hard. Also, I tried to pass through that clan/single war proposal. Which is still sitting on the books.

And yeah windy. I've quit playing because of a lot of that. ;-; I miss the old days.